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More deliberate misrepresentation. You quote 3 sentences out-of-context and ignore all the rest.
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The Righteous, Life is decreed for them.
The Wicked, Destruction destined for them.
The average class, held in balance then incribed for life or inscribed for destruction.
The articles you quote do not support your case.
WrongMore deliberate misrepresentation. You quote 3 sentences out-of-context and ignore all the rest.
More deliberate misrepresentation. You quote 3 sentences out-of-context and ignore all the rest.
The wholly righteous are at once inscribed, and life is decreed for them; the entirely wicked are at once inscribed, and destruction destined for them; the average class are held in the balance from New Year's Day till the Day of Atonement; if they prove themselves worthy they are inscribed for life, if not they are inscribed for destruction. Said R. Abhin: Whence this teaching? From the passage [Psalms, lxix. 29]: "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and they shall not be written down with the righteous."
More deliberate misrepresentation. You quote 3 sentences out-of-context and ignore all the rest.
The thing is: The Jewish Encyclopedia and the Talmud were his idea. I didn't even want to go there.Hi Tim,
Der Alter does not accept anything I post from the Jewish encyclopaedia when I argue with him!
NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence that this is true!
The traditional explanation that a burning rubbish heap in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem gave rise to the idea of a fiery Gehenna of judgment is attributed to Rabbi David Kimhi's commentary on Psalm 27:13 (ca. A.D. 1200). He maintained that in this loathsome valley fires were kept burning perpetually to consume the filth and cadavers thrown into it. However, Strack and Billerbeck state that there is neither archaeological nor literary evidence in support of this claim, in either the earlier intertestamental or the later rabbinic sources (Hermann L. Strack and Paul Billerbeck, Kommentar zum Neuen Testament aus Talmud and Midrasch, 5 vols. [Munich: Beck, 1922-56], 4:2:1030). Also a more recent author holds a similar view (Lloyd R. Bailey, "Gehenna: The Topography of Hell," Biblical Archeologist 49 [1986]: 189.
Hi Tim,
Der Alter does not accept anything I post from the Jewish encyclopaedia when I argue with him!
The thing is: The Jewish Encyclopedia and the Talmud were his idea. I didn't even want to go there.
Then when I quote verbatum, it's called a deliberate misrepresentation? Something smells over here.
Yes something most certainly smells around here. Let me illustrate what you are doing with an example from scripture.
The Bible says in Psalm 14 and 53 "There is no God!" I have quoted that exactly, just as you are quoting isolated sentences! But we both know the context is "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.'" Just as you are doing I omitted part of the verse to make it say something it does not say!
If you cannot recognize that, we are done here!
You know that's not what I did. If I quote something that you posted, Surely I have to post sentences. I quoted just what the source said. I didn't change the meaning. I posted a little, according to the meaning. I was told it was out of context. Then I posted the paragraph. I was told that ALSO was out of context.
You even told me it was a deliberate misrepresentation when I posted the whole section. And it was the reference that you yourself provided.
I think that you are being a little unfair with the out-of-context claims.
The Righteous, Life is decreed for them.
The Wicked, Destruction destined for them.
The average class, held in balance then incribed for life or inscribed for destruction.
The articles you quote do not support your case.
the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity"
NO, ZERO, NONE credible, verifiable, historical evidence that this is true!
The traditional explanation that a burning rubbish heap in the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem gave rise to the idea of a fiery Gehenna of judgment is attributed to Rabbi David Kimhi's commentary on Psalm 27:13 (ca. A.D. 1200). He maintained that in this loathsome valley fires were kept burning perpetually to consume the filth and cadavers thrown into it. However, Strack and Billerbeck state that there is neither archaeological nor literary evidence in support of this claim, in either the earlier intertestamental or the later rabbinic sources (Hermann L. Strack and Paul Billerbeck, Kommentar zum Neuen Testament aus Talmud and Midrasch, 5 vols. [Munich: Beck, 1922-56], 4:2:1030). Also a more recent author holds a similar view (Lloyd R. Bailey, "Gehenna: The Topography of Hell," Biblical Archeologist 49 [1986]: 189.
That is not logical - a Prot who accepts a council of Jews nearly 100 years after the death of Christ on what equates to the Canon....
...Then claims there is no evidence in support of the Jewish history of purgation of the soul.
...Rejecting the very authority he appeals to on the issue of the Canon.
...LOL
Should I continue on with #8 of the 28 passages on eternal torment or has that section of the thread died?
[ . . . ]Luke 16 is a parable, and was based on popular rabbinical teachings of the day which had already been polluted with Greek and Babylonian thought whicgh Jesus did not believe their teachings to be true, but used their own teachings against them. One must use the broad scriptural teachings on teh truth of the death and resurrection and also reject pagan influences.[ . . . ]
OK, no problem.
Since you can't show that there is eternal torment even one time, there's no reason to go through all 28.
Note how in virtually every post you misrepresent what is posted and/or make blatantly false statements!
When Jesus said,
the Jews understood him to be talking about Gehenna/Hades a place prepared by God for the eternal, unending punishment of the unrighteous!
- "You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.", Matt 5:22
- "thy whole body should be cast into hell," Matt 5:29,
- "And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matt 13:49,
- "cast into everlasting fire," Matt 18:8,
- "Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth," Matt 22:2
- "twofold more the child of hell than yourselves," Matt 23:13
- "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire," Matt 25:41, 46
- "go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" Mar 9:43 - 48, (3X)
- "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth," Luk 13;28,
- "in hell [ . . . ] tormented in this flame . . . place of torment." Luke 16:19-31
- "cast them into the fire, and they are burned," John 15:6
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