Let's Talk About Hell (6)

[Timothew]

I posted nearly ten translations of that verse, are you going to dispute the greek behind the verse or what? Because what you say above is obviously false.

2 Corinthians 5:8 DOESN'T say "To BE absent from the body IS TO BE present with the Lord". As usual, Bob is right.

2 Corinthians 5:8 says θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον.
We are of good courage and prefer rather to be away from home from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

He-man, how do you translate 2 Cor 5:8? I couldn't find a translation that I really liked. A lot of them added extraneous words "I say", for example. One (NLT) made an assumption based on current theology and stuffed it into the translation. A lot just blindly follow the KJV. Not one that I saw translated eudokoumen as "we think it is good", but managed to convey that meaning in a way.

GWT is good "We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord", but I prefer the NASB's "We are of good courage". I also think the translation should include "at-home" and "away-from-home".

Each translation has really good parts, but none of them include all of the good parts.

 

[createdtoworship]

2 Corinthians 5:8 DOESN'T say "To BE absent from the body IS TO BE present with the Lord". As usual, Bob is right.

2 Corinthians 5:8 says θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον.
We are of good courage and prefer rather to be away from home from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

you are wrong again both of you here is the literal greek from the majority text

θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον

which is the same as above but there is a point to be observed. Are any two greek words the same?

no

so how can there be "home" twice?

the words translated to be absent is ἐκδημέω ekdēmeō

the words translated to be present is ἐνδημέω endēmeō

different words!

yet in the greek home is not even there!!!

σπίτι (spiti) means house/home and it's not even there!!!!

so yes again both are wrong here!!!


this translation is correct! Just read the greek posted by tim above
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

 

[Timothew]

you are wrong again both of you here is the literal greek from the majority text

θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον

which is the same as above but there is a point to be observed. Are any two greek words the same?

no

so how can there be "home" twice?

the words translated to be absent is ἐκδημέω ekdēmeō

the words translated to be present is ἐνδημέω endēmeō

different words!

yet in the greek home is not even there!!!

σπίτι (spiti) means house/home and it's not even there!!!!

so yes again both are wrong here!!!


this translation is correct! Just read the greek posted by tim above
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

This is the problem with relying on tools rather than actually knowing the greek. You say "are any two greek words the same", so you "prove" that any translation that puts "home" twice is wrong. Then you "prove" that home isn't in the verse by adding a different greek word that means house and saying "it's not in the verse." This proves that you don't know what you are talking about concerning how greek prefixes work. Look at the word ἐκδημῆσα, ek is a prefix meaning "away from" and the root demesa, related to demos, people. A dwelling at home. Away from the people, therefore "away from home". Now look at the word ἐνδημῆσαι, same word, but with a different prefix, "ev" meaning "in". Therefore the meaning is "in with the people" therefore "at home", with one's own people.

 

[createdtoworship]

This is the problem with relying on tools rather than actually knowing the greek. You say "are any two greek words the same", so you "prove" that any translation that puts "home" twice is wrong. Then you "prove" that home isn't in the verse by adding a different greek word that means house and saying "it's not in the verse." This proves that you don't know what you are talking about concerning how greek prefixes word. Look at the word ἐκδημῆσα, ek is a prefix meaning "away from" and the root demesa, realated to demos, people. A dwelling at home. Away from the people, therefore "away from home". Now look at the word ἐνδημῆσαι, same word, but with a different prefix, "ev" meaning "in". Therefore the meaning is "in with the people" therefore "at home", with one's own people.

away from people, and away from home are separate things.

sorry but your greek is a little iffy.

 

[Timothew]

away from people, and away from home are separate things.

sorry but your greek is a little iffy.

I guess you would know! Actually not. Go to a lexicon.
Do we have to embarrass you again?

 

[createdtoworship]

I guess you would know! Actually not. Go to a lexicon.

all the more your true colors for translating are coming through.

when you add words like home to the translation you are adding to the word of God.

Especially when the translation just says "away from" and "present"

no mention of home in the greek.

Many translations are loose paraphrases. And this is the problem with english translations.

I stick with KJV and NKJV

because they are based on byzantine manuscripts which are the most complete.

but even if you are using alexandrian manuscripts you must use a literal translation like NASB or ESV.

avoid paraphrases like you just did above, adding home twice.

even in the alexandrian texts home is only found once.

but thats not in the most complete manuscripts.

 

[Timothew]

all the more your true colors for translating are coming through.

when you add words like home to the translation you are adding to the word of God.

Especially when the translation just says "away from" and "present"

no mention of home in the greek.

Many translations are loose paraphrases. And this is the problem with english translations.

I stick with KJV and NKJV

because they are based on byzantine manuscripts which are the most complete.

but even if you are using alexandrian manuscripts you must use a literal translation like NASB or ESV.

avoid paraphrases like you just did above, adding home twice.

even in the alexandrian texts home is only found once.

but thats not in the most complete manuscripts.

Well, I don't know what to say. I can only suggest that you continue learning, eventually you will see the problems with what you are saying, hopefully. But you are so stubborn that there is a chance you won't. If you don't, the only one who misses out is you.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, I don't know what to say. I can only suggest that you continue learning, eventually you will see the problems with what you are saying, hopefully. But you are so stubborn that there is a chance you won't. If you don't, the only one who misses out is you.

well like I said, there are liberal translations out there that add many words to the greek that are simply not there.

your translation is one of those.

home is used three times in Corinthians but not here (11:34, 14:35, 2 cor 5:6)

yes when you use translations that are expanded and not necessarily literal you come up with home in the verse (twice) and again in the following verse.

but this is not in the greek at all.

I hope this helps.

I would check the blue letter bible for help on greek studies and not whatever references you are currently using.

because I can tell you are (cheating) on your greek anyway, because home is something only a biased translation would say, not what an interlinear or greek tool would actually say.


Just trying to help ya.

I cheat with blue letter bible.com

works for me:

home in greek
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

 

[Timothew]

well like I said, there are liberal translations out there that add many words to the greek that are simply not there.

your translation is one of those.

home is used three times in Corinthians but not here (11:34, 14:35, 2 cor 5:6)

yes when you use translations that are expanded and not necessarily literal you come up with home in the verse (twice) and again in the following verse.

but this is not in the greek at all.

I hope this helps.

I would check the blue letter bible for help on greek studies and not whatever references you are currently using.


Just trying to help ya.

I cheat with blue letter bible.com

works for me:

home in greek
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον

Before you get too carried away with proving me wrong, check the meaning of the bolded words. Also, check your KJV on this verse, if you are saying the "liberal" translations add words. Show me the words "I say" in this verse. KJV is an okay translation, but it isn't the best in this case.

 

[Timothew]

Believe what you want, Gradyll. I don't know why I bother with you. You say I'm "cheating", you say I can't read greek when I can, You tell me I'm wrong when I can can see that what you say isn't true. Why should I bother to listen to anything you say? Think whatever you like about me, your opinion has been proven to me to mean nothing. Your insults are like a dog's incessant barking and have as much meaning.

 

[createdtoworship]

θαρροῦμεν δὲ καὶ εὐδοκοῦμεν μᾶλλον ἐκδημῆσαι ἐκ τοῦ σώματος καὶ ἐνδημῆσαι πρὸς τὸν κύριον

Before you get too carried away with proving me wrong, check the meaning of the bolded words. Also, check your KJV on this verse, if you are saying the "liberal" translations add words. Show me the words "I say" in this verse. KJV is an okay translation, but it isn't the best in this case.

the first word has nothing to do with home. They are translating it this way because home can be translated later in then next few verses. So you are using a translating aid I can tell.

You should try to learn greek without the aids.

the last word in the verse "to be present" can mean to be present at home. but the former word "absent" means absent abroad, nothing to do with home persay. So this is why it is not a literal translation to add home twice especially when it's not actually in the greek.

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

 

[Timothew]

I don't know why I should keep putting up with you insulting me.
I guess you have nothing better to do.

 

[createdtoworship]

I don't know why I should keep putting up with you insulting me.
I guess you have nothing better to do.

well I think it's funny that you harp on me for using greek aids and then use them yourself?

 

[Timothew]

I'm glad you are amused. I just hope nobody is buying your garbage.

 

[createdtoworship]

I'm glad you are amused. I just hope nobody is buying your garbage.

well, thanks for the concern.

 

[Timothew]

The reason that you continually insult me is that if you admit that I do know what I'm takling about you will have to adjust your thinking about tormentalism. Since this is unacceptable to you, you HAVE to keep insulting me. So keep the insuults coming. I understand that your insults are a self-defense mechanism. The more you insult me, the less credible you are.

 

[createdtoworship]

The reason that you continually insult me is that if you admit that I do know what I'm takling about you will have to adjust your thinking about tormentalism. Since this is unacceptable to you, you HAVE to keep insulting me. So keep the insuults coming. I understand that your insults are a self-defense mechanism. The more you insult me, the less credible you are.

show me one post where I insulted you, if telling you that you use greek aids is an insult then I am insulting myself too, because I use them.

 

[Timothew]

show me one post where I insulted you, if telling you that you use greek aids is an insult then I am insulting myself too, because I use them.

you are wrong again
so yes again both are wrong here!!!
sorry but your greek is a little iffy.
all the more your true colors for translating are coming through.
you are adding to the word of God.
I can tell you are (cheating) on your greek anyway
You should try to learn greek without the aids.
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

Why should I just put up with your insults, other than because Jesus said to turn the other cheek?
Here is my other cheek, slap away!

 

[createdtoworship]

Why should I just put up with your insults, other than because Jesus said to turn the other cheek.
Here is my other cheek, slap away!

well like I said if thats an insult then I insult myself.

I cheat by using greek aids.

but you have been accusing a lot of people of insulting you a lot lately.

simply for disagreeing.

 

[Timothew]

Originally Posted by gradyll

you are wrong again
so yes again both are wrong here!!!
sorry but your greek is a little iffy.
all the more your true colors for translating are coming through.
you are adding to the word of God.
I can tell you are (cheating) on your greek anyway
You should try to learn greek without the aids.
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

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