Let's Talk About Hell (3)

[createdtoworship]

Yes I can. You too are a religiousman and know nothing that is spiritual. All you believe must fit in your man made little orthadox box.

Dave Wilkerson Sermon on Hell and God's Judgment - YouTube

 

[Ed Bana]

Amen. Every measurement every piece of funiture is symbolic and is spiritual.

Thats not the same temple Ezekiel mentions, it mentions width height and breadth of the layout along with all the furnishings and the lavers. But the temple mount is in muslim control right now, it's impossible to rebuild. It's a future prophecy. You don't believe in messianic prophecy?

 

[Ed Bana]

Sick... Sick sick

You believe in a helpless God. One who is going to torture billion and billions and billions of people He never intended to call now. Then God is suppose watch these people suffer forever and ever while He sits back and is helpless to do a thing.

Dave Wilkerson Sermon on Hell and God's Judgment - YouTube

 

[createdtoworship]

Amen. Every measurement every piece of funiture is symbolic and is spiritual.

Everything you don't comprehend isn't therefore spiritual. You need to pray more and ask God to enlighten you. Secondly, Israel is God's elect according to Isaiah 42:1 and 45:4

Isaiah 42:1

1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 45:4

4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

 

[createdtoworship]

Sick... Sick sick

You believe in a helpless God. One who is going to torture billion and billions and billions of people He never intended to call now. Then God is suppose watch these people suffer forever and ever while He sits back and is helpless to do a thing.

Yes, Yes and Yes. All the verses are on the video. (but you will just say it's spiritual because you don't comprehend these truths yet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNVqMClOazA&feature=player_embedded

 

[Ed Bana]

What is there to comprehend. Its a religious man made lie.

There is nothing true that Jesus the Lamb of God is going to become this monster god you believe in. \

All of these scriptures you claim our truth have been changed altered, mistranslated into these heresies of damnation you cherish to which we have discussed in depth yet you cling to these heresis.

Yes is the letter that killeth which you do not own up to.

Jesus died for all men and is not a failure as yours. My God does not torture people worst then Hitler Stalin and Mao who only killed people with no mercy forever and ever. This is the god of Babylon and he is a false god and a murderer and not a savior.

Yes, Yes and Yes. All the verses are on the video. (but you will just say it's spiritual because you don't comprehend these truths yet)

Dave Wilkerson Sermon on Hell and God's Judgment - YouTube

 

[Ed Bana]

What is spiritual is hidden. When your head is in the sand box of orthdoxy how can you see anything spiritual.

I doubt you can tell me anything that is spiritual you are so carnal.

Pro. 25: 2


It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter​

Now this verse is spiritual. ​

Everything you don't comprehend isn't therefore spiritual. You need to pray more and ask God to enlighten you. Secondly, Israel is God's elect according to Isaiah 42:1 and 45:4

Isaiah 42:1

1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 45:4

4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

 

[createdtoworship]

What is there to comprehend. Its a religious man made lie.

There is nothing true that Jesus the Lamb of God is going to become this monster god you believe in. \

All of these scriptures you claim our truth have been changed altered, mistranslated into these heresies of damnation you cherish to which we have discussed in depth yet you cling to these heresis.

Yes is the letter that killeth which you do not own up to.

Jesus died for all men and is not a failure as yours. My God does not torture people worst then Hitler Stalin and Mao who only killed people with no mercy forever and ever. This is the god of Babylon and he is a false god and a murderer and not a savior.

I don't respect universalism, anti semetism, and replacement theology. Especially all from the same person. And you call ME anti spiritual?

 

[createdtoworship]

What is there to comprehend. Its a religious man made lie.

There is nothing true that Jesus the Lamb of God is going to become this monster god you believe in. \

All of these scriptures you claim our truth have been changed altered, mistranslated into these heresies of damnation you cherish to which we have discussed in depth yet you cling to these heresis.

Yes is the letter that killeth which you do not own up to.

Jesus died for all men and is not a failure as yours. My God does not torture people worst then Hitler Stalin and Mao who only killed people with no mercy forever and ever. This is the god of Babylon and he is a false god and a murderer and not a savior.

its the letter that killeth, so you can't quote anymore verses. (that is what you sound like). And you call ME babylonian?

 

[Ed Bana]

Hey... It’s your heresies of damning billions not mine.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

its the letter that killeth, so you can't quote anymore verses. (that is what you sound like). And you call ME babylonian?

 

[createdtoworship]

Hey... It’s your heresies of damning billions not mine.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Throughout the New Testament, there are warnings of both false prophets and false Messiahs, and believers are adjured to be vigilant. The following verses (Matthew 7:15–23) are from the Sermon on the Mount:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

The New Testament addresses the same point of a false prophet predicting correctly and Jesus predicted the future appearance of false prophets, affirming that they can perform great signs and miracles. The following verses (;24) are from the Olivet Discourse:

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. . . . For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time" (Matthew ;24 NIV).

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus brought out an ethical application for his disciples using the analogy of false prophets in the Old Testament:

"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets" (Luke NIV).

In the Acts of the Apostles, Paul and Barnabas encountered a false prophet named Elymas Bar-Jesus on the island of Cyprus.

"They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar‑Jesus, who was an attendant of the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul, an intelligent man, sent for Barnabas and Saul because he wanted to hear the word of God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 'You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun.'

"Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand. When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord" (Acts of the Apostles , NIV).

This particular story likewise best matches the model found in Deuteronomy. The claim here is that Elymas is trying to turn Sergius Paulus from the true faith, just like the false prophet described in the preceding verses. In these verses, we do not see Elymas prophesying as the term is popularly understood, so the model seems to fit this scenario best.

The Second Epistle of Peter makes a comparison between false teachers and false prophets and how the former will bring in false teachings, just like the false prophets of old:

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter NIV).

The First Epistle of John warns those of the Christian faith to test every spirit because of these false prophets:

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, that spirit is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" (1 John NIV).

One popular New Testament false prophet is the false prophet mentioned in the Book of Revelation. The Apocalypse's false prophet is the agent of the Beast, and he is ultimately cast with the Antichrist into the lake of "fire and brimstone" (Revelation KJV). There is a historical model which suggests that the writer of Revelation was referring to contemporary figures such as Nero and Domitian and not some far-off end times scenario.[1]

 

[Ed Bana]

Throughout the New Testament, there are warnings of both false prophets and false Messiahs, and believers are adjured to be vigilant. The following verses (Matthew 7:15–23) are from the Sermon on the Mount:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

This fits your belief more. You adoctrines of damning people is just like a ferocious wolves. You come in lambs clothing in that you preach love but what your relaly preaching is damning billions.

By their fruit you will recognize them.

Amen. your fruit if damning billions and you know it,

Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Amen. We need to God's fire when we belive Jesus is a torturer

The New Testament addresses the same point of a false prophet predicting correctly and Jesus predicted the future appearance of false prophets, affirming that they can perform great signs and miracles. The following verses (;24) are from the Olivet Discourse:

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. . . . For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time" (Matthew ;24 NIV).

Amen. The hate, the false Christ or those who reject Christ which means anouiinting, They are down right anti Christ or anti anointing. Same thing. They follow creeds, dogma and orthadoxy and reject the Christ with inthem.

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus brought out an ethical application for his disciples using the analogy of false prophets in the Old Testament:

"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets" (Luke NIV).

There is no good news when billions are being tortured and a god who is helpless to change this.

In the Acts of the Apostles, Paul and Barnabas encountered a false prophet named Elymas Bar-Jesus on the island of Cyprus.

"They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar‑Jesus, who was an attendant of the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul, an intelligent man, sent for Barnabas and Saul because he wanted to hear the word of God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 'You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun.'
"Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand. When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord" (Acts of the Apostles , NIV).

Amen Orthdoxy gets believers by fear and deceit and trickery

This particular story likewise best matches the model found in Deuteronomy. The claim here is that Elymas is trying to turn Sergius Paulus from the true faith, just like the false prophet described in the preceding verses. In these verses, we do not see Elymas prophesying as the term is popularly understood, so the model seems to fit this scenario best.

The Second Epistle of Peter makes a comparison between false teachers and false prophets and how the former will bring in false teachings, just like the false prophets of old:

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter NIV).

Amen you are quoting your own personal verse here "heresies" Hell, damning billions

The First Epistle of John warns those of the Christian faith to test every spirit because of these false prophets:

There sure are some evil spirits in orthadoxy.

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, that spirit is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" (1 John NIV).

Yes you have the spirit of the anti christ.. You are so anti anointing. Your god is orthdoxy, the letter that killeth. The Holy Spirit is a doctrine to you.

One popular New Testament false prophet is the false prophet mentioned in the Book of Revelation. The Apocalypse's false prophet is the agent of the Beast, and he is ultimately cast with the Antichrist into the lake of "fire and brimstone" (Revelation KJV). There is a historical model which suggests that the writer of Revelation was referring to contemporary figures such as Nero and Domitian and not some far-off end times scenario.

The Book Revelation is the most spiritual book ever written but you do not believe anything spiritual.

 

[createdtoworship]

Amen. The hate, the false Christ or those who reject Christ which means anouiinting, They are down right anti Christ or anti anointing. Same thing. They follow creeds, dogma and orthadoxy and reject the Christ with inthem.

do you believe we are "little Christs"

a little deception makes a lie acceptable...

The Fire by Nate Pfeil - YouTube

 

[Ed Bana]

No I believe you are anti Christ which simple means anti anointing.

I ignore all these little propaganda films to try to show me.

Been where you were never will go back.

do you believe we are "little Christs"

a little deception makes a lie acceptable...

The Fire by Nate Pfeil - YouTube

 

[createdtoworship]

No I believe you are anti Christ which simple means anti anointing.

I ignore all these little propaganda films to try to show me.

Been where you were never will go back.

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you ignore a lot of what the spirit is trying to tell you. Like I said you should just pray if the truth will be revealed to you.

 

[Ed Bana]

Orthadoxy is not God's Spirit it is religion which is an outside of us. It is man and his limiting God to the way he sees it. God's Spirit is with in us. Something you obviously have never discoverd.

No I believe you are anti Christ which simple means anti anointing.

I ignore all these little propaganda films to try to show me.

Been where you were never will go back.


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you ignore a lot of what the spirit is trying to tell you. Like I said you should just pray if the truth will be revealed to you.

 

[createdtoworship]

Orthadoxy is not God's Spirit it is religion which is an outside of us. It is man and his limiting God to the way he sees it. God's Spirit is with in us. Something you obviously have never discoverd.

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most don't question orthodoxy. But rather bend orthodoxy to their position. You are not even trying.

here is the definition of orthodoxy

The word orthodox, from Greek orthos ("right", "true", "straight") + doxa ("opinion" or "belief", related to dokein, "to think"),[1] is generally used to mean the adherence to accepted norms, more specifically to creeds, especially in religion.[2] The Orthodox Churches in Slavic-language countries (Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc.) use a word derived from Old Church Slavonic, Правосла́виѥ (pravosláviye) to mean Orthodoxy. The word derives from the Slavonic roots "право" (právo, true, right) and "славa" (sláva, praise, glory), in effect meaning "the right way to praise God".

The term did not exist in the sense in which it is now used prior to the advent of the State church of the Roman Empire.[3] Orthodoxy is opposed to heterodoxy ("other teaching"), heresy and schism. People who deviate from orthodoxy by professing a doctrine considered to be false are most often called heretics or radicals, while those who deviate from orthodoxy by removing themselves from the perceived body of believers are called schismatics. The distinction in terminology pertains to the subject matter; if one is addressing corporate unity, the emphasis may be on schism; if one is addressing doctrinal coherence, the emphasis may be on heresy.

Apostasy, for example, is a violation of orthodoxy that takes the form of abandonment of the faith, a concept largely unknown before the adoption of Christianity as the state religion of Rome on February 27, 380 by Theodosius I, see also First seven Ecumenical Councils and State church of the Roman Empire. A lighter deviation from orthodoxy than heresy is commonly called error, in the sense of not being grave enough to cause total estrangement, while yet seriously affecting communion. Sometimes error is also used to cover both full heresies and minor errors.

The concept of orthodoxy is the most prevalent in many forms of organized monotheism, but orthodox belief is not usually overly emphasized in polytheistic or animist religions. Often there is little to no concept of dogma, and varied interpretation of doctrine and theology is tolerated and sometimes even encouraged within certain contexts. Syncretism, for example, plays a much wider role in non-monotheistic (and particularly, non-scriptual) religion. The prevailing governing idea within polytheism is most often orthopraxy ("right practice") rather than "right belief".

 

[Ed Bana]

I know what orthadoxy is.

Babylon is a golden cup in the hands of the Lord. God uses the religious systems. God calls men not systems.

Orthadoxy is not God's Spirit it is religion which is an outside of us. It is man and his limiting God to the way he sees it. God's Spirit is with in us. Something you obviously have never discoverd.



most don't question orthodoxy. But rather bend orthodoxy to their position. You are not even trying.

here is the definition of orthodoxy

The word orthodox, from Greek orthos ("right", "true", "straight") + doxa ("opinion" or "belief", related to dokein, "to think"),[1] is generally used to mean the adherence to accepted norms, more specifically to creeds, especially in religion.[2] The Orthodox Churches in Slavic-language countries (Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc.) use a word derived from Old Church Slavonic, Правосла́виѥ (pravosláviye) to mean Orthodoxy. The word derives from the Slavonic roots "право" (právo, true, right) and "славa" (sláva, praise, glory), in effect meaning "the right way to praise God".

The term did not exist in the sense in which it is now used prior to the advent of the State church of the Roman Empire.[3] Orthodoxy is opposed to heterodoxy ("other teaching"), heresy and schism. People who deviate from orthodoxy by professing a doctrine considered to be false are most often called heretics or radicals, while those who deviate from orthodoxy by removing themselves from the perceived body of believers are called schismatics. The distinction in terminology pertains to the subject matter; if one is addressing corporate unity, the emphasis may be on schism; if one is addressing doctrinal coherence, the emphasis may be on heresy.

Apostasy, for example, is a violation of orthodoxy that takes the form of abandonment of the faith, a concept largely unknown before the adoption of Christianity as the state religion of Rome on February 27, 380 by Theodosius I, see also First seven Ecumenical Councils and State church of the Roman Empire. A lighter deviation from orthodoxy than heresy is commonly called error, in the sense of not being grave enough to cause total estrangement, while yet seriously affecting communion. Sometimes error is also used to cover both full heresies and minor errors.

The concept of orthodoxy is the most prevalent in many forms of organized monotheism, but orthodox belief is not usually overly emphasized in polytheistic or animist religions. Often there is little to no concept of dogma, and varied interpretation of doctrine and theology is tolerated and sometimes even encouraged within certain contexts. Syncretism, for example, plays a much wider role in non-monotheistic (and particularly, non-scriptual) religion. The prevailing governing idea within polytheism is most often orthopraxy ("right practice") rather than "right belief".

 

[createdtoworship]

I know what orthadoxy is.

Babylon is a golden cup in the hands of the Lord. God uses the religious systems. God calls men not systems.



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you have forgotten to fellowship with believers of like mindedness instead of trying to draw away disciples after your own beliefs.

God does call movements ....christ's bride is a movement of believers. All of which are not necessarily overcommers but are elect non the less..
Ecclesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ed Bana]

Yes it is. By his spirit God draws all men. I am not drawing anyone aways I am debating you on a forum. This is where the rubber meets the road.

God is not calling the whole world now.

1 Corin 15: 21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23: But every man in his own order:

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)


It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.​

I know what orthadoxy is.

Babylon is a golden cup in the hands of the Lord. God uses the religious systems. God calls men not systems.





you have forgotten to fellowship with believers of like mindedness instead of trying to draw away disciples after your own beliefs.

God does call movements ....christ's bride is a movement of believers. All of which are not necessarily overcommers but are elect non the less..
Ecclesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia