What the hell? What's been proven and upon what logic has it been proven? The way you worded that almost sounds like you're more focused on 'winning' than actually proving your point. Point out the parts of my post or whatever post you're looking at that proves eternal hell.
It says Satan, the beast, and the false prophet are to be tortured forever and ever if you take it literally. It then says that the grave and death are to be cast into hell as well. What happens to the grave and death, you could look at it as them being tortured forever and ever as well (though it specifically says this for satan and co. but not the grave) or you could look at it as them being wiped out.
It also puts a kink in the eternal hellfire for unbelievers as it mentions that those who take the mark of the beast would be subject to this. That significantly limits who will and will not be sent to this so called eternal hellfire. Why those people in particular? What happens to those ages ago who did not believe in God or even attempt to seek Him out?
Of course, this is the same book talking about how God will pluck the wicked up and mushing the of their blood like wine in a winepress so I would take what it says with a grain of salt.
Now its your turn. What about Jeremiah 7 and Eternal hellfire torture not being preached in the Torah? Why would God not warn Adam and Eve about something this serious? He promises them that they would surely die, not that they would surely be endanger of eternal punishment or anything of the sort.
is that how we are to interpret the bible, "with a grain of salt"?
thats hardly an answer. death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, this is to mean that the two compartments of abrahams bosom and the grave are to be caste into hell. Anyone in those categories will be caste into hell. Thats pretty straightforward no need to allegorize unnecessarily
here are some commentaries to back up the claim
Bible Knowledge Commentary
20:14-15. Following the great white throne judgment death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death, the final destination of the wicked. The doctrine of eternal punishment has always been a problem to Christians who enjoy the grace of God and salvation in Christ. The Bible is clear, however, that the punishment of the wicked is eternal. This is confirmed in verse 10, where the beast and the false prophet are still in the lake of fire after the thousand years of Christs millennial reign. Though the wicked dead will receive resurrection bodies, they will be quite unlike the resurrection bodies of the saints. The former people will continue to be sinful but will be indestructible and will exist forever in the lake of fire.
Walvoord, John F. ; Zuck, Roy B. ; Dallas Theological Seminary: The Bible Knowledge Commentary : An Exposition of the Scriptures. Wheaton, IL : Victor Books, 1983-c1985, S. 2:983
J Vernon McGee
You will notice that in my translation I have changed death and hell were cast into the lake of fire to death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. Sheol or hades (translated hell in the New Testament) is the place of the unseen dead and is divided into two compartments: paradise and the place of torment (see Luke 16:1931). Paradise was emptied when Christ took the Old Testament believers with Him at His ascension. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things) (Eph. 4:810). Christ did two things: He gave gifts to men down here, but He also took with Him to heaven those Old Testament saints who had died and were in the place called paradise. But the place of torment will deliver up the lost at the judgment at the Great White Throne. All who stand at this judgment are lost, and we are told that they are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. The Lord also called it outer darkness. We believe that this is symbolic of something worse than literal fire or outer darkness. It is eternal separation from God, for death means separation.
McGee, J. Vernon: Thru the Bible Commentary. electronic ed. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1981, S. 5:1061
13. Even the unsaved who have died on the seas, whose bodies have never been recovered, will not be exempt from this august tribunal (cf. Jn 5:28, 29). Death (used here for the grave) gives up the bodies; hell gives up the souls. No one is said to escape or enter eternal bliss. All the unsaved will suffer their eternal doom (cf. 20:6).
KJV Bible Commentary. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1994, S. 2714
