Lets read about the firmament

[Papias]

Chet wrote:

I think it makes a persuasive argument that the Bible does not demand the "raqiya" be solid, and that modern bibles are correct to translate it as "expanse" rather than "firmament".

Um Chet - as has been pointed out, an article in Answers in Genesis is practically a point against your view, knowing how AIG handles information in other areas.

And the modern translation most respected by scholars is the RSV, which translates "raqiya" as "dome".

We've discussed that. Did you just happen to forget that when posting the above? Surely you want to give an accurate portrayal of the best modern translations, right? In accordance with the 8th (Catholic) or 9th (Protestant) commandment?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thus the Tower of Babel?

Nope -- different languages evolved from different locations and cultures, not some mythical story of God trying (and failing -- as usual) to keep his children down.

 

[AV1611VET]

So stop yammering and correct it. Draw what Genesis 1 clearly and (allegedly) literally describes.

I would if I could.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I would if I could.

I'll settle for you actually explaining what's inaccurate about the images already provided... rather than sling mud at the artists.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll settle for you actually explaining what's inaccurate about the images already provided... rather than sling mud at the artists.

If you don't know by now ... well ... I'm not sure I can help you.

I'll try though, just so you can QED what I just said:

1. How many firmaments are in that picture?

2. How many firmaments are there in reality?

Please respond, so I can say: "Thanks for the QED."

 

[Davian]

...

2. How many firmaments are there in reality?
...

Since when does reality come into your consideration?

How many gods are there in reality?

 

[AV1611VET]

Since when does reality come into your consideration?

Since some anonymous gnostic drew a picture (or some anonymous person drew a gnostic picture) that is the pride of scientific Biblical cosmology.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If you don't know by now ... well ... I'm not sure I can help you.

I'll try though, just so you can QED what I just said:

1. How many firmaments are in that picture?

2. How many firmaments are there in reality?

Please respond, so I can say: "Thanks for the QED."

I thought reality could take a hike?

3. How many firmaments are there in the Bible?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Since some anonymous gnostic drew a picture (or some anonymous person drew a gnostic picture) that is the pride of scientific Biblical cosmology.

Sounds like you're admitting the Bible is wrong...

 

[Davian]

Since some anonymous gnostic drew a picture (or some anonymous person drew a gnostic picture) that is the pride of scientific Biblical cosmology.

"Scientific Biblical cosmology"? Do you keep that in your "Creation Science" file folder?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

If I remember correctly, those drawings are some gnostic bologna.

They were probably drawn to make the Jews look ignorant and mock God's creation.

Bad memory on display here, as well as sheer speculation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bad memory on display here, as well as sheer speculation.

If your memory is so good, perhaps you could tell me who the original artist is?

 

[Kylie]

Drawn by Kenneth Kully.

So now we can get to Heaven in a submarine?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

If your memory is so good, perhaps you could tell me who the original artist is?

There are dozens of variations of that art available for downloading. The name of a particular artist for a particular example is irrelevant to this argument. But you said you thought it was of gnostic origin, and please tell us your source for that idea, unless of course you no longer remember it.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

There are dozens of variations of that art available for downloading. The name of a particular artist for a particular example is irrelevant to this argument. But you said you thought it was of gnostic origin, and please tell us your source for that idea, unless of course you no longer remember it.

Here's another example of that concept:

 

[AV1611VET]

Bad memory on display here, as well as sheer speculation.

If your memory is so good, perhaps you could tell me who the original artist is?

There are dozens of variations of that art available for downloading.

Dozens of original artists, are there?

Did they get in line and each one draw a segment?

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's another example of that concept:

These concepts contradict each other, don't they?

 

[essentialsaltes]

I wonder where the ancient Hebrews could have gotten the wacky idea that the sky was made of a solid substance with stars set in it, and that had water above it?

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder where the ancient Hebrews could have gotten the wacky idea that the sky was made of a solid substance with stars set in it, and that had water above it?

From the mundane scientists of their time?

(Or maybe it's a new idea, started by neognostics?)

 

[TLK Valentine]

From the mundane scientists of their time?

(Or maybe it's a new idea, started by neognostics?)

Or maybe God told them, which is why they wrote it down in their Bible?