Let's Quit Being Politically Correct

[Simon_Templar]

There is no hope in politics.

I do not mean that we should not be politically involved. I think we must be.

However, our hope has to be in Christ and in the Gospel, not in winning elections and passing laws.

There is a truth that is very obvious, but yet a lot of people seem to miss it. For probably at least the last 200 years, western civilization has consistently, and seemingly inevitably drifted to the left in its philosophy.

This has accelerated in our day to a rate I could not have imagined even 20 years ago.

This is something that can not be fought by political means. It can only be opposed by truth and by the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

 

[BritneyCuthbert88]

I am 65 years old and have been a born again, Spirit filled, Bible believing, conservative Christian for 40 years. What I am about to say will get some flak but I think it's time to say it. In the 50's and 60's you could be a Christian and vote either Republican or Democrat and I think the difference was a minor difference of how government finances are handled. In today's world, I do not believe you can have the Holy Spirit residing in you and vote liberal. Let's review what "liberal" stands for today.

Liberals have murdered 55,000,000+ babies through abortion, they have attempted to rewrite the constitution to fit their atheistic ideas such as the "so called" separation of church and state, they have done everything they can to remove references to God and His Holy Word from everything public, they have become so "politically correct" that they try to remove the words "radical Islam" from documents, they steal from future generations in order to give out "free stuff" to the masses, they lie, they look the other way when hundreds of military people have become sexual perverts, they promote the homosexual agenda and vote for gay marriage, and in general they have become so corrupt that only God Himself can fix their mess.

It may possible that some who vote for liberals have been deceived and will eventually see the light but I have come to the firm conclusion that, in general, you CANNOT be a liberal and be a Christian. You CANNOT have the Holy Spirit residing in you and promote liberalism. If you don't believe me, read The Word. It's all in there and there is no longer any doubt about it. Liberalism has become evil. Liberals are an enemy to
God and an enemy this nation that God has blessed so abundantly. You can give me excuses but if you have God's Spirit, you know what I am saying is true.

Lord God, Creator of all things. The One who Was, who IS, and will EVER BE. We pray for the souls of those who would try to destroy this great nation that you blessed from its inception. We pray for the souls of those who promote abortion and homosexual agendas. We pray for those who lie and deceive and think they can have eternal life without doing what Jesus said to do. You cannot just claim to be a Christian, you must do what Jesus said to do! For the sake of the elect Lord God, save us from liberal thinking. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Amen!!! It needs to be said and the country needs to hear it. Obama is letting in illegals because he knows they're guaranteed votes and that he's making it almost impossible to defeat the Democrats come election time.

Obama doesn't care about God, he doesn't care about America, he only cares about his own evil agenda.

 

[General Mung Beans]

So what if you're a pro-life liberal opposed to gay marriage (and by extension no-fault divorce laws also)?

 

[General Mung Beans]

Liberals have murdered 55,000,000+ babies through abortion,

There have been plenty of conservatives who have condoned legalized abortion and liberals who have opposed it.

they have attempted to rewrite the constitution to fit their atheistic ideas such as the "so called" separation of church and state,

Which polices specifically? For example if one means the removal of teacher-led prayer in public schools, I believe Christians ought to be happy about it Suppose a Catholic teacher led the students in a Hail Mary or if a New Ager teacher led his or students in praying to the "Mother Goddess"?

if they have done everything they can to remove references to God and His Holy Word from everything public,

What specific actions does this refer to?

they have become so "politically correct" that they try to remove the words "radical Islam" from documents,

Which documents specifically? And this hasn't stopped President Obama from killing hundreds of terrorists in drone strikes.

they steal from future generations in order to give out "free stuff" to the masses,

Deficit spending has been practiced by both conservative and liberal Presidents. In addition past experience has shown that large amounts of debts incurred in a crisis (whether in a war or during an economic crisis) can be paid down without impairing the economy in the future.

they lie, they look the other way when hundreds of military people have become sexual perverts, they promote the homosexual agenda and vote for gay marriage, and in general they have become so corrupt that only God Himself can fix their mess.

I don't see why homosexuals specifically should be excluded from the military while idolaters or those who have remarried after a divorce are allowed.

It may possible that some who vote for liberals have been deceived and will eventually see the light but I have come to the firm conclusion that, in general, you CANNOT be a liberal and be a Christian. You CANNOT have the Holy Spirit residing in you and promote liberalism. If you don't believe me, read The Word. It's all in there and there is no longer any doubt about it. Liberalism has become evil. Liberals are an enemy to
God and an enemy this nation that God has blessed so abundantly. You can give me excuses but if you have God's Spirit, you know what I am saying is true.

If by liberals you mean solely those who support legalized abortion than this is largely true (although even noted fundamentalist preachers such as DA Carson supported legalized abortion and if one goes further back one sees that many otherwise faithful and genuine Christians supported slavery including race-based slavery). However what is one supposed to call someone who may be pro-life but otherwise generally supports policies that are called "liberal" in this country (such as a decent welfare-state, stimulative economic policies during a recession, internationalism, and libertarian social policy outside of abortion)?

Lord God, Creator of all things. The One who Was, who IS, and will EVER BE. We pray for the souls of those who would try to destroy this great nation that you blessed from its inception. We pray for the souls of those who promote abortion and homosexual agendas. We pray for those who lie and deceive and think they can have eternal life without doing what Jesus said to do. You cannot just claim to be a Christian, you must do what Jesus said to do! For the sake of the elect Lord God, save us from liberal thinking. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

The Republican party in the US seems to think that they can win the country by being extra nice to the leftists.

We saw how that worked out in the last presidential election...

I don't believe we're talking about the same Republican Party here.

Amen!!! It needs to be said and the country needs to hear it. Obama is letting in illegals because he knows they're guaranteed votes and that he's making it almost impossible to defeat the Democrats come election time.

Only if it seems that the Republicans are opposed to immigration reform. Also FYI Reagan passed a similar bill and President Bush attempted to-were they also merely fishing for votes?

Obama doesn't care about God, he doesn't care about America, he only cares about his own evil agenda.

Which is...?

 

[Albion]

There have been plenty of conservatives who have condoned legalized abortion and liberals who have opposed it.

Just try to find some.

Which polices specifically? For example if one means the removal of teacher-led prayer in public schools, I believe Christians ought to be happy about it Suppose a Catholic teacher led the students in a Hail Mary or if a New Ager teacher led his or students in praying to the "Mother Goddess"?

That's never been the issue, though. It's the ban on all kinds of prayer that is the controversy.

Deficit spending has been practiced by both conservative and liberal Presidents. In addition past experience has shown that large amounts of debts incurred in a crisis (whether in a war or during an economic crisis) can be paid down without impairing the economy in the future.

As with many other things in life, it's the level or degree that matters. In this case, we have seen one administration run up the debt to a level equaling all the spending of all previous presidents. Any reasonable person should find that to be worrisome.

I don't see why homosexuals specifically should be excluded from the military while idolaters or those who have remarried after a divorce are allowed.

Does someone else's worship of idols affect you personally as you go about your daily duties?

 

[ActionJ]

So what if you're a pro-life liberal opposed to gay marriage (and by extension no-fault divorce laws also)?

First of all ... a pro-life liberal who's opposed to gay marriage is well on his way to exiting the liberal worldview. Congratulations if that's you! Secondly, I would probably consider someone who's opposed to abortion and gay marriage to be somewhere closer to moderate.

 

[General Mung Beans]

Just try to find some.

For starters Senators Bob Casey and Joe Donelly are both pro-life while Governor Reagan signed a liberalized abortion law in 1968.

That's never been the issue, though. It's the ban on all kinds of prayer that is the controversy.

In which school districts are such bans in effect? From my experience such a ban does not exist in any of the public schools I've attended.

As with many other things in life, it's the level or degree that matters. In this case, we have seen one administration run up the debt to a level equaling all the spending of all previous presidents. Any reasonable person should find that to be worrisome.

I agree certainly. However President Obama's debts exceed that of all previous Presidents only if it is not adjusted for inflation. And recent budget outlooks indicate that the deficit is going down compared to previous estimates.

Does someone else's worship of idols affect you personally as you go about your daily duties?

How does homosexuality by itself (as opposed to say coercion to perform homosexual acts) affect one's daily duties.

First of all ... a pro-life liberal who's opposed to gay marriage is well on his way to exiting the liberal worldview. Congratulations if that's you! Secondly, I would probably consider someone who's opposed to abortion and gay marriage to be somewhere closer to moderate.

I agree but many people seem to classify me as a liberal on the basis of my stance on economic issues.

 

[Albion]

For starters Senators Bob Casey and Joe Donelly are both pro-life while Governor Reagan signed a liberalized abortion law in 1968.

So....if given a half-century span, you found three. That's about right.

I agree certainly. However President Obama's debts exceed that of all previous Presidents only if it is not adjusted for inflation.

I see. His spending doesn't quite exceed the TOTAL of 40+ previous presidents...if we look at it in a certain way. What an enthusiastic endorsement of frugality in government.

 

[ActionJ]

=Albion;63352627]So....if given a half-century span, you found three. That's about right.

LOL. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Haha.

I see. His spending doesn't quite exceed the TOTAL of 40+ previous presidents...if we look at it in a certain way. What an enthusiastic endorsement of frugality in government.

It's Bush's fault. That's usually the most intellectual argument they come up with.

 

[RDKirk]

There is no hope in politics.

I do not mean that we should not be politically involved. I think we must be.

However, our hope has to be in Christ and in the Gospel, not in winning elections and passing laws.

This is true. The Body of Christ must remember three things:

1. The USA is not our home. We're just assigned here temporarily, and should never "go native" or place any treasure in this place.

2. Sinners are not our enemy--they are the people we are here to rescue.

3. Our real enemy is not flesh and blood and will not be defeated by material means.

There is a truth that is very obvious, but yet a lot of people seem to miss it. For probably at least the last 200 years, western civilization has consistently, and seemingly inevitably drifted to the left in its philosophy.

This has accelerated in our day to a rate I could not have imagined even 20 years ago.

Living in the US today is far better for me than it was 50 years ago, and immensely better than any time prior to that. "Left" and "right" doesn't really have a meaning when you go 200 years back, but remember that even then, Thomas Jefferson was aware that from God's point of view, the US already well deserved destruction.

This is something that can not be fought by political means. It can only be opposed by truth and by the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

In all of scripture, what is identified as Satan's primary tactic? Concealment, camouflage, deception, and diversion. What he shows you as the main attack is never, ever the actual main attack.

Stop and think about that: What is obvious? What is shrill and always in the news? What is always kept 'In our face?"

Now...what is not? What does Satan keep quiet and let us forget about?

Do we care about marriage? So how many congregations have gay couples waiting to get married compared to couples that are shacking up? How many congregations have half or more no-fault divorces? How many congregations have children out of wedlock?

What is really killing marriage within the Body of Christ itself?

 

[Albion]

So how many congregations have gay couples waiting to get married compared to couples that are shacking up?

I don't run into too many churches that excuse shacking up--which is what we're supposed to do with gay couples, but BTW, what's the explanation for why these gay couples are "waiting to get married" as opposed to actually getting married? Millions of American heterosexual couples have crossed a state line in order to get married.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't run into too many churches that excuse shacking up--which is what we're supposed to do with gay couples, but BTW, what's the explanation for why these gay couples are "waiting to get married" as opposed to actually getting married? Millions of American heterosexual couples have crossed a state line in order to get married.

I would include those who are having sex without being married.

If the percentage of pre-marital sex, divorces, and unwed motherhood is the same in the Body of Christ as without--and it is--then the question is: Why is Satan's backdoor attack on the Body of Christ so effective?

 

[Albion]

I would include those who are having sex without being married.

Of course.

If the percentage of pre-marital sex, divorces, and unwed motherhood is the same in the Body of Christ as without--and it is--then the question is: Why is Satan's backdoor attack on the Body of Christ so effective?

Since the 1960s or so, "the church" has allowed the thinking of the world to direct its own policies and values. Many people have theorized that this has occurred because the churches were experiencing a decline in membership and so put their greatest effort into attracting and keeping members, often the much-discussed "young people." Well, young people often want what the world offers, so the church compromised.

Even today, the coffee bar churches and "come as you are" churches are doing the same thing, but it's just the latest version of the same story. However, it's not just those churches; the more traditional ones have followed the same course and for the same reason, except that their approach has been to wink at the actions of the parishioners and adopt a very loose approach to doctrine lest anyone not care for what they're being told and leave.

 

[classicalhero]

For starters Senators Bob Casey and Joe Donelly are both pro-life while Governor Reagan signed a liberalized abortion law in 1968.

Being Democrat doesn't equal being liberal. The are plenty of social conservatives in the Democratic party. I'd just wish their were more of them like him.

 

[Albion]

Being Democrat doesn't equal being liberal. The are plenty of social conservatives in the Democratic party. I'd just wish their were more of them like him.

There really aren't. And, for certain, the few who remain are not allowed to have any part in the leadership of the party.

A generation ago, there were conservative Democrats, but that's all gone now except for an occasional voter who might fit the description, and he's usually someone who hasn't paid much attention to how the parties have evolved in recent years.

 

[Albion]

The man has no ethical backbone or moral compass.

Well, I'm not sure about that compass thing. If his compass always points to him, that's a coherent policy, whether or not it's admirable.

 

[General Mung Beans]

What do you think about Obama's brilliant idea to cut spending on the Blue Angels (saves 20 million $) while spending tens of millions to take his family on a vacation in Africa (wastes 100 million $)?

Sequester Cuts: Navy to Ground Blue Angels

Obama's Africa Trip Draws Ire - Ken Walsh's Washington (usnews.com)

The man has no ethical backbone or moral compass. He's willing to ground an American icon like the Blue Angels to partially fund his extravagant trips -- the latest one being a trip to Africa. Disgusting!

Out of all the government spending cuts under the Obama administration, you criticize the cutting of funding for the Blue Angels which are essentially government paid performers? Obama's trip to Africa on the other hand is part of any President's job of building international relations via foreign visits.

What I personally don't see is why conservatives when criticizing cuts in spending focus on trivialities such as the Blue Angels or White House tours.

 

[Albion]

Out of all the government spending cuts under the Obama administration, you criticize the cutting of funding for the Blue Angels which are essentially government paid performers? Obama's trip to Africa on the other hand is part of any President's job of building international relations via foreign visits.

Not when every member of your family and thousands of attendants go with you and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on themselves, it isn't.

What I personally don't see is why conservatives when criticizing cuts in spending focus on trivialities such as the Blue Angels or White House tours.

I think you need to pay closer to the government scene if you're interested in commenting on it. It wasn't that these were funded; it was that they were CUT so that the people would think this was the necessary consequence of the sequester and, meanwhile, the White House continues to spend more money on frivolities than it would take to keep those programs going. You ought to be on the side of the people in this one instead of defending waste in government.

 

[Simon_Templar]

Out of all the government spending cuts under the Obama administration, you criticize the cutting of funding for the Blue Angels which are essentially government paid performers? Obama's trip to Africa on the other hand is part of any President's job of building international relations via foreign visits.

What I personally don't see is why conservatives when criticizing cuts in spending focus on trivialities such as the Blue Angels or White House tours.

I personally don't much care that they cut the blue angels. I'm sure we've got better things to spend the money on. However, I believe the point is that the administration is deliberately trying to make the cuts as visible and painful as possible in order to apply political pressure.

 

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