Let it be

[theanticrash]

You know, I could never understand why my faith in Jesus never healed me of mental illness. Christians could never heal me, no one could.
I'm stuck with a malfunctioning brain, and I can't read the bible normally, can't work normally, can't cook, clean, manage my life normally.

I do better now, but I had to give up on thinking Jesus would fix me and put my illness first. It's so strange, I just can't seem to function well enough when I am focusing on faith.

I seem to get real sick when I am believing in God, I don't know why.
I could come back to believing in the Christian truth, but I change, I become something I don't like.

I wouldn't know what to do, but stay away from it.

 

[Tolworth John]

May I suggest just accepting Jesus as a saviour and keep it simple to see how having a belief in him works.

 

[r4.h]

hi, Jesus wont do miracles where there is unbelief, this was the case in His home town where they said "we know him, he is the carpenters son". If we have unfounded expectation or demands on how Jesus will heal us, it is as if we think He is our servant instead of we are his.
Jesus said to get a miracle we must believe we have it first. This means we must have faith that He will do it, no ifs or buts. If we dont have this kind of faith we are insulting His love for us, and is most likely deep down our heart is in the wrong place. Will a man call God a liar?

 

[theanticrash]

May I suggest just accepting Jesus as a saviour and keep it simple to see how having a belief in him works.

It's believing in Jesus itself that makes me unwell, not that my beliefs should be simple.

 

[theanticrash]

hi, Jesus wont do miracles where there is unbelief, this was the case in His home town where they said "we know him, he is the carpenters son". If we have unfounded expectation or demands on how Jesus will heal us, it is as if we think He is our servant instead of we are his.
Jesus said to get a miracle we must believe we have it first. This means we must have faith that He will do it, no ifs or buts. If we dont have this kind of faith we are insulting His love for us, and is most likely deep down our heart is in the wrong place. Will a man call God a liar?

It's my mind that is in the wrong place, which is no fault of my own. Unless you would blame me for having schizophrenia. It's my brain that needs fixing not my heart.

 

[r4.h]

It's my mind that is in the wrong place, which is no fault of my own. Unless you would blame me for having schizophrenia. It's my brain that needs fixing not my heart.

I didnt say anything about blame. If you cant take advice, carry on....

 

[iEye]

A Propaganda Model
Edward Herman & Noam Chomsky
Excerpted from Manufacturing Consent, 1988
The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfill this role requires systematic propaganda.
A Propaganda Model, by Noam Chomsky (Excerpted from Manufacturing Consent)

 

[Hieronymus]

hi, Jesus wont do miracles where there is unbelief, this was the case in His home town where they said "we know him, he is the carpenters son".

Belief is however no guarantee typical miracles will happen.

 

[Soul-searching]

You know, I could never understand why my faith in Jesus never healed me of mental illness. Christians could never heal me, no one could.
I'm stuck with a malfunctioning brain, and I can't read the bible normally, can't work normally, can't cook, clean, manage my life normally.

I do better now, but I had to give up on thinking Jesus would fix me and put my illness first. It's so strange, I just can't seem to function well enough when I am focusing on faith.

I seem to get real sick when I am believing in God, I don't know why.
I could come back to believing in the Christian truth, but I change, I become something I don't like.

I wouldn't know what to do, but stay away from it.

I´m sorry, i understand how you feel. Life is not easy, not at all, and i don´t think it is supposed to be either. I understand you can´t think differently, but when rough things happens to me i will always use it to change my thoughts. There is always something we can use even in bad things. We can use the bad things to measure the good. Life is never just bad, there must be good things too, the key is to make the good things stand out so they overshine the bad, and accept the bad things we go through, no matter how much it might hurt. I have come to terms with the bad things i have gone through, because they taught me important lessons about myself and my strength. You can use your situation to if you like, but it´s up to you.

Life is about one thing, and that is learning, maybe that is why God does not cure everyone, it would not matter if he cured everyone, because i bet in a matter of time we would have even worse problems. Life is hard, maybe it´s also a faith test, do we really believe if we expect God to help us everytime we yell help? To me faith is learning to not depend on God too much, i can pray for things, but i fully accept if i won´t get what i pray for, God knows what is best for us, so that might be the reason he wont help us always. To be mature in our faith we have to get to a point where we don´t blame God for anything, even when we get put through really bad things, and that is a test indeed. Maybe the bad things we deal with right now we are supposed to use for something later. The beauty in life is no one knows where it will lead us and what will happen in the future.

The way i think, and this is really important, and we all should think like this once in a while, to challenge our pitty party. I think that even though i might be going through rough times, there are people in the world who are going through hell, they are going through so much worse than i am, that puts things in perspective, and that makes my problems minor, and helps me to get through things, maybe it will help you too.

 

[r4.h]

Belief is however no guarantee typical miracles will happen.

hi Hieronymus, Math 11:24 Jesus says whatever we ask and believe we have them, will be ours.

If we have no doubt that we are allowed something, then we cannot be denied it, but we may have to ask not giving up, like the importunate man in the parable.

Its not that God has to be pestered, but sometimes we have to prove we really want it and we will value the gift as well as the giver. Also that we be reminded we are his servant and not the other way around.

So when my prayers are not answered it is me that hasnt met the conditions more often than God doesnt want me to have it.

 

[theanticrash]

hi Hieronymus, Math 11:24 Jesus says whatever we ask and believe we have them, will be ours.

If we have no doubt that we are allowed something, then we cannot be denied it, but we may have to ask not giving up, like the importunate man in the parable.

Its not that God has to be pestered, but sometimes we have to prove we really want it and we will value the gift as well as the giver. Also that we be reminded we are his servant and not the other way around.

So when my prayers are not answered it is me that hasnt met the conditions more often than God doesnt want me to have it.

What a way to help someone, that is like me expecting you to not doubt in my ability to help you, before I can help you. Do you honesty think that anything would get done if we all acted like that.

 

[theanticrash]

I´m sorry, i understand how you feel. Life is not easy, not at all, and i don´t think it is supposed to be either. I understand you can´t think differently, but when rough things happens to me i will always use it to change my thoughts. There is always something we can use even in bad things. We can use the bad things to measure the good. Life is never just bad, there must be good things too, the key is to make the good things stand out so they overshine the bad, and accept the bad things we go through, no matter how much it might hurt. I have come to terms with the bad things i have gone through, because they taught me important lessons about myself and my strength. You can use your situation to if you like, but it´s up to you.

Life is about one thing, and that is learning, maybe that is why God does not cure everyone, it would not matter if he cured everyone, because i bet in a matter of time we would have even worse problems. Life is hard, maybe it´s also a faith test, do we really believe if we expect God to help us everytime we yell help? To me faith is learning to not depend on God too much, i can pray for things, but i fully accept if i won´t get what i pray for, God knows what is best for us, so that might be the reason he wont help us always. To be mature in our faith we have to get to a point where we don´t blame God for anything, even when we get put through really bad things, and that is a test indeed. Maybe the bad things we deal with right now we are supposed to use for something later. The beauty in life is no one knows where it will lead us and what will happen in the future.

The way i think, and this is really important, and we all should think like this once in a while, to challenge our pitty party. I think that even though i might be going through rough times, there are people in the world who are going through hell, they are going through so much worse than i am, that puts things in perspective, and that makes my problems minor, and helps me to get through things, maybe it will help you too.

Does this mean that the person who's the worst off in the whole universe gets Gods attention 24/7

How do you know that person is not me, how would you know that's not you? Is there a worst'o meter, so I can measure how worse off I am.

 

[theanticrash]

I didnt say anything about blame. If you cant take advice, carry on....

Sorry.

 

[Tolworth John]

It's believing in Jesus itself that makes me unwell, not that my beliefs should be simple.

Then I would suggest talking to your councellor or doc about how believe is making you unwell.

 

[Soul-searching]

Does this mean that the person who's the worst off in the whole universe gets Gods attention 24/7

How do you know that person is not me, how would you know that's not you? Is there a worst'o meter, so I can measure how worse off I am.

No one gets Gods attention 24/7. It does not matter if you go through hell or not, no one is pampered for 24/7 that is our destiny. If you can honestly say that you have the worst life of all people in the world, then i have to respect that. I just think it's not true. Like i could never say i have the worst life either. I respect and feel sad that you are struggling, but you look at it through your perspective, and yours only. You don't measure it towards what other people go through. You know, there are people starving in this world, homeless, living in war, having to sell their body for a piece of bread. As long as we are not in that condition, then we don't know what struggle is, or our struggle should becomes minor. I'm sorry, i don't want to offend you! I don't think you can do anything towards your situation if you don't learn to accept it, it is hard I know, i understand, but i think it's the only way, i'm sorry!!!

 

[theanticrash]

No one gets Gods attention 24/7. It does not matter if you go through hell or not, no one is pampered for 24/7 that is our destiny. If you can honestly say that you have the worst life of all people in the world, then i have to respect that. I just think it's not true. Like i could never say i have the worst life either. I respect and feel sad that you are struggling, but you look at it through your perspective, and yours only. You don't measure it towards what other people go through. You know, there are people starving in this world, homeless, living in war, having to sell their body for a piece of bread. As long as we are not in that condition, then we don't know what struggle is, or our struggle should becomes minor. I'm sorry, i don't want to offend you! I don't think you can do anything towards your situation if you don't learn to accept it, it is hard I know, i understand, but i think it's the only way, i'm sorry!!!

I'm not angry at God, just the sheep herders.

 

[theanticrash]

Then I would suggest talking to your councellor or doc about how believe is making you unwell.

There's no pill for religious indoctrination.

 

[r4.h]

What a way to help someone, that is like me expecting you to not doubt in my ability to help you, before I can help you. Do you honesty think that anything would get done if we all acted like that.

Apology accepted, please accept mine if i dont get what your getting out.

God absolutely expects us to believe in His will and ability to heal us, anything less is insult to Him.
Scripture says "God is not a man that He should lie"
We can trust him 100%, 100% of the time.

 

[theanticrash]

Apology accepted, please accept mine if i dont get what your getting out.

God absolutely expects us to believe in His will and ability to heal us, anything less is insult to Him.
Scripture says "God is not a man that He should lie"
We can trust him 100%, 100% of the time.

I thought you said God expects unwavering doubt, before he can heal me. Well who would ever have that?

 

[Tom 1]

I seem to get real sick when I am believing in God, I don't know why.
I could come back to believing in the Christian truth, but I change, I become something I don't like.

Drawing near to God certainly brings about changes which can be uncomfortable and difficult as well as positive. Transformation as in Romans 12:2 is a challenging process, I should imagine it’s made all the more difficult if you’re also dealing with the symptoms relating to your diagnosis. I’d suggest being cautious with how you proceed, talk to God about what you find difficult, what you feel etc and ask him to guide you. Don’t rush, pray and let things play out, talk to others as you are here when it gets confusing maybe.