Legitimate Political Discourse? Really?

[disciple Clint]

Misinformation from the guy who didn't win... Now, did the guy or anyone in his orbit want those irrational actions to happen?

If so, they are criminally (or at the very least, morally) responsible for what happened.



Suppose Joe Smith ran his car into a pedestrian instead of a telephone pole? The pedestrian's family wants some answers before they decide to sue the bartender who should have 86ed him 6 beers earlier.

Misinformation from the guy who didn't win... Now, did the guy or anyone in his orbit want those irrational actions to happen?

That would be the same guy who suggested bringing the National Guard in before the demonstration and was told thanks but no. And the same guywho told people to peacefully demonstrate.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That would be the same guy who suggested bringing the National Guard in before the demonstration and was told thanks but no.

Counterfactual.

Fact check: Trump did not request 10,000 Guard troops for Jan. 6

And the same guywho told people to peacefully demonstrate.

Donald mentioned the world "peacefully" exactly once in an 80 minute speech -- approximately 17 1/2 minutes in -- to an audience not known for their attention spans.

The last 10 minutes was chock full of marching and fighting rhetoric... as well as a (broken) promise that he would be there with them.

 

[wing2000]

But then again, I wouldn't consider this investigation attempt as "legitimate political discourse" either.

The investigation angle may be more "civil", as to where the Jan 6th rioters were both illegitimate and uncivil.

But none of it is "legitimate".

Investigations usually involve fact finding, and trying to answer a question.

I will wait to read their report and see if any criminal referrals are made to the DOJ.

As for congressional inquiries, they have obviously been abused in the last decade. So much so that I understand how some would believe they are not worth it. However, when a sitting president refuses to accept the outcome of an election and then actively uses his power and influence to overturn that outcome, I submit the Congress has a duty to investigate.

 

[disciple Clint]

Counterfactual.

Fact check: Trump did not request 10,000 Guard troops for Jan. 6



Donald mentioned the world "peacefully" exactly once in an 80 minute speech -- approximately 17 1/2 minutes in -- to an audience not known for their attention spans.

The last 10 minutes was chock full of marching and fighting rhetoric... as well as a (broken) promise that he would be there with them.

Your fact check carfully twisted the question in order to call it false shame, shame. Truth is Trump suggested the National Guard be used and his suggestion was disregarded by Defense Secretary Chris Miller.
"YES, TRUMP DID CALL FOR 10,000 GUARD TROOPS FOR JAN 6: In some of his first public remarks since losing the November election, former President Donald Trump told Fox News that he warned the Pentagon “days before” that it was not ready for the crowd of Trump backers who would converge on Washington Jan. 6 and recommended calling up 10,000 National Guard troops.

Trump said he told “the top person” at the Pentagon, who at the time was acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, that the crowd was going to be massive based on the fact that “everybody I'd see” would say, ‘Oh, we're going to be at the rally. We're going to be at the rally.’”
Trump says he told the Pentagon 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed Jan. 6 but was ignored

 

[Pommer]

Your fact check carfully twisted the question in order to call it false shame, shame. Truth is Trump suggested the National Guard be used and his suggestion was disregarded by Defense Secretary Chris Miller.
"YES, TRUMP DID CALL FOR 10,000 GUARD TROOPS FOR JAN 6: In some of his first public remarks since losing the November election, former President Donald Trump told Fox News that he warned the Pentagon “days before” that it was not ready for the crowd of Trump backers who would converge on Washington Jan. 6 and recommended calling up 10,000 National Guard troops.

Trump said he told “the top person” at the Pentagon, who at the time was acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, that the crowd was going to be massive based on the fact that “everybody I'd see” would say, ‘Oh, we're going to be at the rally. We're going to be at the rally.’”
Trump says he told the Pentagon 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed Jan. 6 but was ignored

Oh, well if Donald J Trump vouched for himself, surely this is true!

 

[disciple Clint]

Oh, well if Donald J Trump vouched for himself, surely this is true!

Do you have a problem with Chris Miller as well or are you just trying to be dismissive?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Your fact check carfully twisted the question in order to call it false shame, shame. Truth is Trump suggested the National Guard be used and his suggestion was disregarded by Defense Secretary Chris Miller.
"YES, TRUMP DID CALL FOR 10,000 GUARD TROOPS FOR JAN 6: In some of his first public remarks since losing the November election, former President Donald Trump told Fox News that he warned the Pentagon “days before” that it was not ready for the crowd of Trump backers who would converge on Washington Jan. 6 and recommended calling up 10,000 National Guard troops.

Trump said he told “the top person” at the Pentagon, who at the time was acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, that the crowd was going to be massive based on the fact that “everybody I'd see” would say, ‘Oh, we're going to be at the rally. We're going to be at the rally.’”
Trump says he told the Pentagon 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed Jan. 6 but was ignored

Let Donald be true, and every man a liar.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you have a problem with Chris Miller as well or are you just trying to be dismissive?

Let's see if the Commission has a problem with Chris Miller...

Former acting Defense secretary meets with Jan. 6 committee

 

[wing2000]

...in any case, it's off topic.

 

[TLK Valentine]

...in any case, it's off topic.

...unless someone wants to spray bear spray in Chris Miller's face and then beat him with a fire extinguisher. #legitimatepoliticaldiscourse

 

[SimplyMe]

Your fact check carfully twisted the question in order to call it false shame, shame. Truth is Trump suggested the National Guard be used and his suggestion was disregarded by Defense Secretary Chris Miller.
"YES, TRUMP DID CALL FOR 10,000 GUARD TROOPS FOR JAN 6: In some of his first public remarks since losing the November election, former President Donald Trump told Fox News that he warned the Pentagon “days before” that it was not ready for the crowd of Trump backers who would converge on Washington Jan. 6 and recommended calling up 10,000 National Guard troops.

Trump said he told “the top person” at the Pentagon, who at the time was acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, that the crowd was going to be massive based on the fact that “everybody I'd see” would say, ‘Oh, we're going to be at the rally. We're going to be at the rally.’”
Trump says he told the Pentagon 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed Jan. 6 but was ignored

Okay, so Trump wanted 10,000 National Guard troops called up. Where does Trump say that he wanted them all sent to the Capitol Building. Instead, particularly if you use the statements by Chris Miller (which I linked to in another reply to you, in another thread), he said Trump was wanting the troops to "protect" the people at his rally -- not send them to the Capitol building.

Even using your own article, "At no point during the Feb. 23 hearing, nor at a subsequent House Appropriations Subcommittee hearing two days later, was any testimony given or evidence submitted that indicated Nancy Pelosi had anything to do with the decision of how or when to deploy National Guard troops, either before or during the riot." At most, there were 125 National Guard troops allegedly on standby so they could quickly respond to a mob at the Capitol building -- and for some reason those 125 troops were never sent, it took hours to get National Guard troops called up and sent to the Capitol Building.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Okay, so Trump wanted 10,000 National Guard troops called up. Where does Trump say that he wanted them all sent to the Capitol Building. Instead, particularly if you use the statements by Chris Miller (which I linked to in another reply to you, in another thread), he said Trump was wanting the troops to "protect" the people at his rally -- not send them to the Capitol building.

Protect them from the Capitol Police, as like as not.

1/6 would've gone a lot differently if Donald's people had armed backup.

 

[wing2000]

..excerpt from the conservative "National Review" editorial published on Saturday:

"Fair-minded people can, of course, criticize some of the responses to January 6. To say that investigation and prosecution are justified is not to defend every aspect of the hundreds of criminal prosecutions, or to bless the Democrats’ norm-breaking partisanship on the January 6 committee. But the RNC has issued a statement, purportedly in the name of the entire party, denouncing “a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse” and “Democrat abuse of prosecutorial power for partisan purposes.” This will, quite predictably and not wholly unreasonably, be read as an argument that the action of the mob was nothing but “legitimate political discourse” and that nobody should be prosecuted. It will be used against hundreds of elected Republicans who were not consulted in its drafting and do not endorse its sentiment. To the extent that the party did not intend this as the meaning — and RNC chair Ronna McDaniel, already doing damage control, says it was not meant that way — its wording is political malpractice of the highest order coming from people whose entire job is politics."

Political malpractice...ouch.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Your fact check carfully twisted the question in order to call it false shame, shame. Truth is Trump suggested the National Guard be used and his suggestion was disregarded by Defense Secretary Chris Miller.
"YES, TRUMP DID CALL FOR 10,000 GUARD TROOPS FOR JAN 6: In some of his first public remarks since losing the November election, former President Donald Trump told Fox News that he warned the Pentagon “days before” that it was not ready for the crowd of Trump backers who would converge on Washington Jan. 6 and recommended calling up 10,000 National Guard troops.

Trump said he told “the top person” at the Pentagon, who at the time was acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, that the crowd was going to be massive based on the fact that “everybody I'd see” would say, ‘Oh, we're going to be at the rally. We're going to be at the rally.’”
Trump says he told the Pentagon 10,000 National Guard troops would be needed Jan. 6 but was ignored

The story doesn’t look good for Trump. As a POTUS your own Sec. Dev ignore your command?

 

[jayem]

Mitch McConnell has seen the light. This is the Republican Senate leader. I can't say I've agreed with everything he's ever said or done. But now he's 100% right on the money.

Spotlighting a widening breach among Republicans, Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell criticized the Republican National Committee on Tuesday for censuring Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, and for suggesting that the Jan. 6 insurrection was "legitimate political discourse."

“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent a peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next," McConnell told reporters. "That’s what it was."

Mitch McConnell calls Jan. 6 a 'violent insurrection,' hits Republicans for censure of Cheney, Kinzinger

There is none so blind as he who will not see. That's seems to be a sickness now infesting the Republican Party.

 

[disciple Clint]

Let's see if the Commission has a problem with Chris Miller...

Former acting Defense secretary meets with Jan. 6 committee

so now the inference GAME. your article does not indicate that the committee had any problem what so ever with Chris Miller, Do you have a problem with Chris Miller or are you just throwing mud?

 

[perplexed]

Do you have a problem with Chris Miller as well or are you just trying to be dismissive?

Chris Miller was obviously out for himself.

Everyone that says something that disagrees with my position is just telling lies and out for himself, I have no obligation to explain why especially if what they do actually really hurts them professionally.

 

[disciple Clint]

Okay, so Trump wanted 10,000 National Guard troops called up. Where does Trump say that he wanted them all sent to the Capitol Building. Instead, particularly if you use the statements by Chris Miller (which I linked to in another reply to you, in another thread), he said Trump was wanting the troops to "protect" the people at his rally -- not send them to the Capitol building.

Even using your own article, "At no point during the Feb. 23 hearing, nor at a subsequent House Appropriations Subcommittee hearing two days later, was any testimony given or evidence submitted that indicated Nancy Pelosi had anything to do with the decision of how or when to deploy National Guard troops, either before or during the riot." At most, there were 125 National Guard troops allegedly on standby so they could quickly respond to a mob at the Capitol building -- and for some reason those 125 troops were never sent, it took hours to get National Guard troops called up and sent to the Capitol Building.

the point is that Trump offered to provide and suggested the use of the National Guard, how they were deployed would be up to the on scene commander and Nancy is a red herring, she has nothing to do with the question we are discussing.

 

[disciple Clint]

The story doesn’t look good for Trump. As a POTUS your own Sec. Dev ignore your command?

there is a substantial difference between a command and a recommendation

 

[disciple Clint]

Chris Miller was obviously out for himself.

Everyone that says something that disagrees with my position is just telling lies and out for himself, I have no obligation to explain why especially if what they do actually really hurts them professionally.

That is a uniquely honest confession, seldom does anyone say I am always right and everyone else is always wrong regardless of what the facts may be.