legalism

[CalmRon]

so, when paul says the law is spiritual (rom 7:14), what does that mean?

also, explain to me this:

Hebrews 9:10(NKJV)
10concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

what law is this?

is there a difference between what is spoken of in rom 7 and hebrews 9?

The law is spiritual and when we walk in the spirit we won't trespass it.

 

[from scratch]

sounds like a cop out.


Steve

Take it any way you wish. I simply don't wish to be reported. Thanks very much. My decision stands and you won't goad me into any thing else. Do you understand?

 

[Frogster]

The law is spiritual and when we walk in the spirit we won't trespass it.

Ahhhh..but until that very spiritual law came, the great sin arouser, sin was napping.

7;8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead

 

[CalmRon]

Ahhhh..but that very spiritual law, sit ehgreat sin arouser. Sin was napping, until the spiritual law came.

7;8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead

When we walk in the spirit we bear spiritual fruit. Against this there is no law. So when we walk in the spirit we do not transgress the law. Attempting to obey in our flesh is where sin arouses and we die. When we walk in the spirit we aren't focused on an external law of commands but show the very law written in our heart. The holy spirit does amazing work!

 

[JohnRabbit]

Ahhhh..but until that very spiritual law came, the great sin arouser, sin was napping.

7;8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead

sin was napping? are you serious? what am i talking about, of course you're serious. after you read this post, maybe you can understand why what you have written in your post makes no sense to me.

now you take what you have written in your post and compare it to this:

Deuteronomy 8:6(NKJV)
6“Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

Exodus 18:20(NKJV)
20And you shall teach them the statutes and the laws, and show them the way in which they must walk and the work they must do.

you see? God's laws express His Way!

now look at this what God spoke concerning the levi priests:

Malachi 2:7-9(NKJV)
7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
8 But you have departed from the way (what way?); You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” Says the Lord of hosts.
9 “Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.”

i believe that the law expresses God's Way!

you and your ilk see the law as a bunch of "rules", better yet, a bunch of "do's and don'ts for an ancient people"!

with this difference, i know why you guys can't answer my questions.

either the law is the "great sin arouser" or it's "God's Way".

i think the bible shows that the law expresses His ways.

that's why i believe the bible when i read verses like these:

James 1:22-25(NKJV) (rom 2:13, this shows that paul and james were on the same page)
22But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
25But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:8-11(NKJV)
8If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

1 John 2:3-4(NKJV)
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[JohnRabbit]

When we walk in the spirit we bear spiritual fruit. Against this there is no law. So when we walk in the spirit we do not transgress the law. Attempting to obey in our flesh is where sin arouses and we die. When we walk in the spirit we aren't focused on an external law of commands but show the very law written in our heart. The holy spirit does amazing work!

nicely put!

 

[JohnRabbit]

Take it any way you wish. I simply don't wish to be reported. Thanks very much. My decision stands and you won't goad me into any thing else. Do you understand?

no, he took it the only way anyone would take it.

a cop out!

just like he said!

 

[YosemiteSam]

nicely put!

agreed agreed

 

[YosemiteSam]

Take it any way you wish. I simply don't wish to be reported. Thanks very much. My decision stands and you won't goad me into any thing else. Do you understand?

Reported for answering a question? HUH? Another stumbling block?

 

[YosemiteSam]

no, he took it the only way anyone would take it.

a cop out!

just like he said!

Hellooooooo, JohnRabbit!!!!! Wassup Doc!

 

[Frogster]

Hellooooooo, JohnRabbit!!!!! Wassup Doc!

WITH..WITH..

 

[Frogster]

sin was napping? are you serious? what am i talking about, of course you're serious. after you read this post, maybe you can understand why what you have written in your post makes no sense to me.

now you take what you have written in your post and compare it to this:

Deuteronomy 8:6(NKJV)
6“Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

Exodus 18:20(NKJV)
20And you shall teach them the statutes and the laws, and show them the way in which they must walk and the work they must do.

you see? God's laws express His Way!

now look at this what God spoke concerning the levi priests:

Malachi 2:7-9(NKJV)
7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
8 But you have departed from the way (what way?); You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” Says the Lord of hosts.
9 “Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.”

i believe that the law expresses God's Way!

you and your ilk see the law as a bunch of "rules", better yet, a bunch of "do's and don'ts for an ancient people"!

with this difference, i know why you guys can't answer my questions.

either the law is the "great sin arouser" or it's "God's Way".

i think the bible shows that the law expresses His ways.

that's why i believe the bible when i read verses like these:

James 1:22-25(NKJV) (rom 2:13, this shows that paul and james were on the same page)
22But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
25But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:8-11(NKJV)
8If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

1 John 2:3-4(NKJV)
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

You can post away, but anyone can see, you posted all those verses, that say WITH.., with means the legal decress went WITH...the bond, to the cross.

Plus you could not rubutt what Tyndale said.

Soooo, My bro, post away, but there is an open end, to our conversation.

 

[YosemiteSam]

, what the...???

what's that got to do with jer 31:33 or rom 7:6 ???

why don't you just answer the questions i asked???

does not make sense! i answer you guys all the time.

He did answer what law will be written on our hearts...He said, "I don't know.."

 

[YosemiteSam]

Ahhhh..but until that very spiritual law came, the great sin arouser, sin was napping.

7;8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead

So what is the spiritual law?
When did it come?

 

[Frogster]

So what is the spiritual law?
When did it come?

In that passage, to Paul, as a saved person.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hi Ron.

Here is the problem. You quoted gal 5:16, walk in Spirit, not flesh.



So what's the solution? Fusion? Because every time Jer 31 comes up, most use it to lay law down.

Did Abraham, have the law, while justified by faith, and used alot as the exampl of, "the just shall live by faith", j uxtaposed to living under law, gal 3:11-12?

I wonder why most lay the law down when Jer 31 comes up?

Jer 31:33 “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds i and write it on their hearts. j I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Oh, the bible says so.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We can't get anywhere trying to follow God's law in the flesh so what god did, finding fault with the nature of the first covenant, mediated a second covenant through Christ and gave his spirit to enable us to daily die to our flesh nature. Through the spirit we will "naturally" want to uphold the law- I didn't mention we would be perfect, but we will have law written on our hearts- this is the function of the spirit, it conforms us to the image of god.

Now what is the law he Promised to write on our hearts?

Well Said, Sir!

 

[YosemiteSam]

In that passage, to Paul, as a saved person.

I asked,

What is the spiritual law?
And when did it come?

Your answer "In that passage, to Paul, as a saved person." This does not answer neither question. Please re-submit.

Y

 

[YosemiteSam]

In that passage, to Paul, as a saved person.

Hi Ron.

Here is the problem. You quoted gal 5:16, walk in Spirit, not flesh.


Did Abraham, have the law, while justified by faith, and used alot as the exampl of, "the just shall live by faith", j uxtaposed to living under law, gal 3:11-12?

Why certainly he did!!!

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, v obeyed and went, w even though he did not know where he was going.
Heb 11:9 By faith he made his home in the promised land x like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, y as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. z


Jas 2:21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? x

Jas 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, y and his faith was made complete by what he did. z


Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Ge 26:5 because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws.”

You see, Abraham had faith and works, what did he do, he obeyed God!

His sacrifice of son Isaac was a result of his faith and works! He was obeying God at this time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I wonder why most lay the law down when Jer 31 comes up?

Jer 31:33 “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds i and write it on their hearts. j I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Oh, the bible says so.

Jeremiah 31 gets brought up a lot on GT

http://www.christianforums.com/t7326950/
New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8

Jeremiah 31:33 "That this the Covenant which I shall cut with house of Yisra'el after the days, those," declarations of YHWH.
"I give Law of Me within them and on heart of them I shall write her
and I become to them for Elohiym and they they shall become to Me for people".
[Hebrew 8:10]

Hebrew 8:10 'That this the Covenant which I shall be covenanting to the House of Israel after the days, those,' is saying Lord.
'Giving laws of Me into the minds of them and upon hearts of them I shall be engraving them.
And I shall be to them into God and they shall be to Me into a People.'"
[Jeremiah 31:33]