Left Behind series

[Seraph1m]

I have a simple question. Do you know how the city of Lynchburg VA got its name or what it was best known for historically??

...Oh my--if not--you should...

 

[Princessdi]

Honor, I agree and admit to forgetting the scope of this forum forgive me. However, it still stands to reason if we had the answers before they had a question then where is it. GC is sold only in ABCs. It has been said that our books don't have wide enough appeal to be sold in regualr bookstores, but does anyone know if we have tried lately? I mean we don't even really push to have our books in regular christian bookstores, at least not at the ones I frequent.

I totally understand your concern about folks seeing the "negative" side of our denomination, especially in a forum such as this. However, I am not one to sugar coat things. What's good about us is real good(I would not trade my SDA upbringing for nothing in the world, it was wonderful!), but we have areas of improvement and this is one. We have been extremely "selective" in how we spread the message. The Net Series started 10 years ago, when a very few had satellite TV, the cost of the equipment was unreachable for a large portion of our churches, and the format was not conducive for the ethnic churches(IOW, we were not their desired demographic at the time). Still now, you can only see the Net Series if it is shown at a church near you or you have satellite TV. The best we have done is to basically discourage our members from reading the books and viewing the movie. There has not been a major effort to refute the faulty doctrine. All defense has been on our networks satellites, our periodicals, our churches.

However flawed the doctrine in the book series, they are out there where anyone can get to them. Strides have been made for religious books movies, even TV shows that we are not taking advantage of. A young man named Tyler Perry made a movie with his own money called "Diary of a Mad Black Woman", and it went to #1 in mainstream theatres. The Left Behind movies have already conquered mainstream movie medium, and are now using the next movie as a witnessing tool for any church who wishes to show it. This is my only point. I believe we do have a great biblical support message, as it's base, but we are still being too selelctive about to whom and how we spread it. Time is getting late, and we need to get on the ball! We have been given a wonderful message, let's get it out there!

BTW, I have known Jerry Falwell to be a danger long ago, but it not his bold attacks we should worry about, it is the subtle ones within the ranks of the Christian Coalition to which we should pay attention. Of course he doesn't agree with our doctrine, he's Souhern Baptist. He has been attacking SDAs as long as I cna remember. No biggee. Is this not part of our end time prophecy, though, being eventually persecuted by other religious orgs, in conjunction with our government stripped of separation between church and state? He has us busy swatting at his attack on Amazing Facts, while many of voted our current President for all the reasons he and the Coalition said you should.

Di--this forum is frequented by many other ppl that are NOT SDA's. I think Palehorse was right to have posted this great work so that those ppl can at least see another approach to end time events. We must guard against becoming so critical and myopic against our "church" they we fail to see that good things are happening all over our demonination in regards to getting the word out. Palehorse is doing just that. You ask. "where is our answer to the world"?--my goodness girl--where have you been?? The Great Controvarsy has been out for over a hundred years now--we had our "answer" before "they" had the question!!! rofl!!

Keep a more optimistic view--our church is doing plenty to get the word out there!! So much so--that we are drawing fire from the opposition as never before. Did you ever hear that little ditty that Jerry Falwell did against one of the Amazing Facts seminars in Lynchburg?? Oh my--if not--you should--talk about spitting hatred of our message!!! WOW.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I have a simple question. Do you know how the city of Lynchburg VA got its name or what it was best known for historically??[/QUOTE)


I have no idea!!

 

[happywiththelord]

Seraph1m, i was referring to the churches in the area i live in. not the church as a whole. so i was pretty correct in the comment that i had made about the interest.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Honor, I agree and admit to forgetting the scope of this forum forgive me. However, it still stands to reason if we had the answers before they had a question then where is it. GC is sold only in ABCs. It has been said that our books don't have wide enough appeal to be sold in regualr bookstores, but does anyone know if we have tried lately? I mean we don't even really push to have our books in regular christian bookstores, at least not at the ones I frequent.

I believe that our colporters for years has sold many SDA books door to door. Also--the "Desire of Ages" were sold at WalMart last year. MANY,MANY faithful SDA's have given out millions of CG, DA,S2C and so on over the years at their own expense. The message has gotten out--but what your forgetting is "THE TRUTH IS NEVER POPULAR"!! The masses would rather cling to nonsense like Left Behind than embrace the wonderful truth of the SDA church. Also, remember that the SOP has warned our church leaders that "nothing of a theatrical nature" should come into the work. The truth doesn't need a movie!!!! We are not to use the world's methods to get the truth out.

I totally understand your concern about folks seeing the "negative" side of our denomination, especially in a forum such as this. However, I am not one to sugar coat things. What's good about us is real good(I would not trade my SDA upbringing for nothing in the world, it was wonderful!), but we have areas of improvement and this is one. We have been extremely "selective" in how we spread the message. The Net Series started 10 years ago, when a very few had satellite TV, the cost of the equipment was unreachable for a large portion of our churches, and the format was not conducive for the ethnic churches(IOW, we were not their desired demographic at the time). Still now, you can only see the Net Series if it is shown at a church near you or you have satellite TV. The best we have done is to basically discourage our members from reading the books and viewing the movie. There has not been a major effort to refute the faulty doctrine. All defense has been on our networks satellites, our periodicals, our churches.

I'm sorry that you feel slighted because you lack a satellite or that your church is unable to afford one. Maybe that would be a good project for you to head up to get one. But I can tell you that those NET programs have been a blessing to the world. Many thousands have been saved and have accepted the Advent message thru them. We need to be careful not to kill the messanger. "Touch not my annointed". God IS in those meetings, let's rejoice in that.

However flawed the doctrine in the book series, they are out there where anyone can get to them. Strides have been made for religious books movies, even TV shows that we are not taking advantage of. A young man named Tyler Perry made a movie with his own money called "Diary of a Mad Black Woman", and it went to #1 in mainstream theatres. The Left Behind movies have already conquered mainstream movie medium, and are now using the next movie as a witnessing tool for any church who wishes to show it. This is my only point. I believe we do have a great biblical support message, as it's base, but we are still being too selelctive about to whom and how we spread it. Time is getting late, and we need to get on the ball! We have been given a wonderful message, let's get it out there!

<SB Refrain From All Theatrical Display. <EB--I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to

think that they must proclaim the solemn, sacred message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.

I am instructed that we shall meet with all kinds of experiences and that men will try to bring strange performances into the work of God. We have met such things in many places. In my very first labors, the message was given that all theatrical performances in connection with the preaching of present truth were to be discouraged and forbidden. Men who thought they had a wonderful work to do sought to adopt a strange deportment and manifested oddities in bodily exercise. The light given me was, "Give this no sanction." These performances, which savored of the theatrical, were to have no place in the proclamation of the solemn messages entrusted to us.

There are many more SOP quotes, but these should surffice. This is why our ministries have not made movies to present the truth. But I fear-that we will bend to the pressure of the worldly and make movies about the GC.



Blessings, Honor

 

[Princessdi]

I believe that our colporters for years has sold many SDA books door to door. Also--the "Desire of Ages" were sold at WalMart last year. MANY,MANY faithful SDA's have given out millions of CG, DA,S2C and so on over the years at their own expense. The message has gotten out--but what your forgetting is "THE TRUTH IS NEVER POPULAR"!! The masses would rather cling to nonsense like Left Behind than embrace the wonderful truth of the SDA church. Also, remember that the SOP has warned our church leaders that "nothing of a theatrical nature" should come into the work. The truth doesn't need a movie!!!! We are not to use the world's methods to get the truth out.

...and we see where all of this has gotten us right?




I'm sorry that you feel slighted because you lack a satellite or that your church is unable to afford one. Maybe that would be a good project for you to head up to get one. But I can tell you that those NET programs have been a blessing to the world. Many thousands have been saved and have accepted the Advent message thru them. We need to be careful not to kill the messanger. "Touch not my annointed". God IS in those meetings, let's rejoice in that.

Please do not take my comments as any kind of personal reference. My church does have satellite. However, since we are all supposed to be active in this mission, steps should be taken to ensure all can participate.

<SB Refrain From All Theatrical Display. <EB--I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to

think that they must proclaim the solemn, sacred message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.

I am instructed that we shall meet with all kinds of experiences and that men will try to bring strange performances into the work of God. We have met such things in many places. In my very first labors, the message was given that all theatrical performances in connection with the preaching of present truth were to be discouraged and forbidden. Men who thought they had a wonderful work to do sought to adopt a strange deportment and manifested oddities in bodily exercise. The light given me was, "Give this no sanction." These performances, which savored of the theatrical, were to have no place in the proclamation of the solemn messages entrusted to us.

There are many more SOP quotes, but these should surffice. This is why our ministries have not made movies to present the truth. But I fear-that we will bend to the pressure of the worldly and make movies about the GC.

Please give biblical support for this practice. Also, from which writings were these comments taken, in what context, and who sent her the message?



Blessings, Honor[/QUOTE]

 

[honorthesabbath]

I believe that our colporters for years has sold many SDA books door to door. Also--the "Desire of Ages" were sold at WalMart last year. MANY,MANY faithful SDA's have given out millions of CG, DA,S2C and so on over the years at their own expense. The message has gotten out--but what your forgetting is "THE TRUTH IS NEVER POPULAR"!! The masses would rather cling to nonsense like Left Behind than embrace the wonderful truth of the SDA church. Also, remember that the SOP has warned our church leaders that "nothing of a theatrical nature" should come into the work. The truth doesn't need a movie!!!! We are not to use the world's methods to get the truth out.

...and we see where all of this has gotten us right?




I'm sorry that you feel slighted because you lack a satellite or that your church is unable to afford one. Maybe that would be a good project for you to head up to get one. But I can tell you that those NET programs have been a blessing to the world. Many thousands have been saved and have accepted the Advent message thru them. We need to be careful not to kill the messanger. "Touch not my annointed". God IS in those meetings, let's rejoice in that.

Please do not take my comments as any kind of personal reference. My church does have satellite. However, since we are all supposed to be active in this mission, steps should be taken to ensure all can participate.

<SB Refrain From All Theatrical Display. <EB--I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to

think that they must proclaim the solemn, sacred message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.

I am instructed that we shall meet with all kinds of experiences and that men will try to bring strange performances into the work of God. We have met such things in many places. In my very first labors, the message was given that all theatrical performances in connection with the preaching of present truth were to be discouraged and forbidden. Men who thought they had a wonderful work to do sought to adopt a strange deportment and manifested oddities in bodily exercise. The light given me was, "Give this no sanction." These performances, which savored of the theatrical, were to have no place in the proclamation of the solemn messages entrusted to us.

There are many more SOP quotes, but these should surffice. This is why our ministries have not made movies to present the truth. But I fear-that we will bend to the pressure of the worldly and make movies about the GC.

Please give biblical support for this practice. Also, from which writings were these comments taken, in what context, and who sent her the message?



Blessings, Honor

[/QUOTE]

I fear this is becoming a DEBATE--of which you are not permitted in here. I hope I have not erred in my assumption that you are "Progressive". If I have--forgive me.

 

[happywiththelord]

It sounds like it is turning into a debate as well. thats how i see it. so maybe either this should be taken to the general area be discussed. or maybe the discussion between you to should end??? I dont know, just my two cents.

 

[Seraph1m]

Seraph1m, i was referring to the churches in the area i live in. not the church as a whole. so i was pretty correct in the comment that i had made about the interest.

That may be so. However, we can all clearly see that you were agreeing with Pales comments, which are about our denomimation as a whole,

I guess if some folks don't want to participate in what the main body of their denomination is doing and decide instead to find their own way then that is their prerogative.

Though some churches may not be able to participate, my simple observation is that select groups of Adventists congregations, who had the equipment to do so, made a conscious choice not to followship and support Net2004.

In any event, I am sure you and noone else is attempting to debate the truth and we are clearly on the same page.

Peace

 

[Princessdi]

Not a debate at all. I asked a question, you gave an answer, I asked you to qualify your answer. Had you just answered the questions, that would have been the end of this discussion also.

Ok, so why are you assuming I am "Progressive"? What exactly does that mean? I am sorry I am new to the site, and unfamiliar with a great many things. I have mainly just been posting to topics of interest.




I fear this is becoming a DEBATE--of which you are not permitted in here. I hope I have not erred in my assumption that you are "Progressive". If I have--forgive me.[/QUOTE]

 

[awesumtenor]

I fear this is becoming a DEBATE--of which you are not permitted in here. I hope I have not erred in my assumption that you are "Progressive". If I have--forgive me.

Why would you assume that, especially since it is not the place of any here to label another?

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[honorthesabbath]

Awesumtenor and Di--I assumed you knew the rules of this split forum. Knowing you both from the Christian Discussion forum, and knowing how you side with folks like Stormy and Starei and others, I naturally assumed that you were of the "progressive" flavor. Perhaps you should read carefully the tenets of both the "Traditional" and the "Progressive" sides and see which you prefer to align with.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I haven't read all the posts in this forum, but I did see someone mention EGW's books not being marketed on a wide scale. I used to feel the same way until I say Desire of Ages (excerpts from it at least) in Wal-Mart. Woohoo!!!

 

[awesumtenor]

Awesumtenor and Di--I assumed you knew the rules of this split forum. Knowing you both from the Christian Discussion forum, and knowing how you side with folks like Stormy and Starei and others, I naturally assumed that you were of the "progressive" flavor. Perhaps you should read carefully the tenets of both the "Traditional" and the "Progressive" sides and see which you prefer to align with.

Nowhere in those rules does it designate you to be the determiner of what anyone is, save yourself. It is not your place to guess, assume, presume or assign me to anything at any time.

For your information, I both believe and adhere to all of the FBs of this church without exception and as an ordained elder in the Seventh-day Adventist church I both preach and teach said belief and adherence.

That makes me traditional by the criteria currently set, and that means I have every right to abide and discuss what I wish here, regardless of what you may think. If I show up on your doorstep you can then make all the calls you wish about whether I am welcome there... but this forum is not said doorstep.

And for your information, I never sided with either StormyOne or Statrei as far as the topics they were discussing. I pointed out to you and those with whom you were discussing that your talking about them in an unChristian and derogatory manner after both had left the forum was unChristian and uncalled for and I told PaleHorse ( who was the moderator ) he was a respecter of persons for not putting a stop to it beause it was people in his family that were doing it.

For that I was kicked out of the forum... because I presumed to show you your sin...and palehorse his

If we are going to tell the story, let's tell the whole story

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[honorthesabbath]

Nowhere in those rules does it designate you to be the determiner of what anyone is, save yourself. It is not your place to guess, assume, presume or assign me to anything at any time.

For your information, I both believe and adhere to all of the FBs of this church without exception and as an ordained elder in the Seventh-day Adventist church I both preach and teach said belief and adherence.

That makes me traditional by the criteria currently set, and that means I have every right to abide and discuss what I wish here, regardless of what you may think. If I show up on your doorstep you can then make all the calls you wish about whether I am welcome there... but this forum is not said doorstep.

And for your information, I never sided with either StormyOne or Statrei as far as the topics they were discussing. I pointed out to you and those with whom you were discussing that your talking about them in an unChristian and derogatory manner after both had left the forum was unChristian and uncalled for and I told Paleface ( who was the moderator ) he was a respecter of persons for not putting a stop to it beause it was people in his family that were doing it.

For that I was kicked out of the forum... because I presumed to show you your sin...and paleface his

If we are going to tell the story, let's tell the whole story

In His service,
Mr. J

I prefer to keep this place a place of peace and harmony. We don't need "attitude" in here. So please, don't start. Thank you.

 

[awesumtenor]

I prefer to keep this place a place of peace and harmony. We don't need "attitude" in here. So please, don't start. Thank you.

There was a saying in the 'hood back in the day that it might behoove you to heed...

don't start none... wont be none.

In His service,
Mr. J

 

[happywiththelord]

 

[happywiththelord]

Lets get back on topic please.

 

[Seraph1m]

I have a simple question. Do you know how the city of Lynchburg VA got its name or what it was best known for historically??[/QUOTE)


I have no idea!!

For educational purposes only. Here is a little background info and an article noted below, which also gives info on where Lynchburg, which was also known as a "sundown town", got its name. There is more info which, to my surprised, even include graphic pictures of the Lynchburg "legacy", so to speak. Just let me know and I will PM the rest to you.

Lynchburg article here

Peace

 

[Princessdi]

Now that was an awfully unfair{and wrong} assuption on your part. I didn't and still don't assume anything about you because besides some words ons screen, I don't know you. However, since you claim to know so much about me, you will remember how I feel about disrespect, and that won't be a failed assumption on your part.

Now, maybe someone, moderator/owner, will explain if and/or why it is required to align myself with either?

Awesumtenor and Di--I assumed you knew the rules of this split forum. Knowing you both from the Christian Discussion forum, and knowing how you side with folks like Stormy and Starei and others, I naturally assumed that you were of the "progressive" flavor. Perhaps you should read carefully the tenets of both the "Traditional" and the "Progressive" sides and see which you prefer to align with.