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You're Bible is missing the 11th commandment too? Thou Shalt Not Abort?
Nope. The fifth commandment covers that one just fine.

The Fifth Commandment.
Thou shalt not kill.​
What does this mean?
We should fear and love God that we may not hurt nor harm our neighbor in his body, but help and befriend him in every bodily need [in every need and danger of life and body].
 
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I have a hard time believing that a God who knit me in the womb would have no issue with my mother then killing me in the womb.

It saddens me that people would try to stretch out God's word so much just to allow for the ruthless killing of unwanted babies.

But again, this all goes back to the ELCA throwing out portions of the bible she disagrees with. Must be an easy religion when all you have to do is ignore the parts you don't like.

It's a good thing Jesus didn't ignore his calling.
 
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Biblical, and thus Christian, teaching on the subject is that human beings are created unique by God, in His image. When a human male and a human female come together to conceive, it is a human being that is conceived, not a chicken or some other creature. The Bible teaches that it is God who forms us in the womb. We are the product of His hands from the very beginning.

And as far as word usage, the definition of any word depends upon the context in which it is used. A single word can have many different meanings. Context determines what meaning fits.
 
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You're Bible is missing the 11th commandment too? Thou Shalt Not Abort?

That would be the 5th Commandment: Thou shall not murder.

Or is the 12th...with the 11th being Thou Shalt Not Be Gay...

That would be the 6th Commandment: Thou shall not committ adultery.


The very nature of Creation (which you probably don't believe in anyway) states that humans are a unique creation of God. God's call to Jeremiah reminds us that it is God who forms us in the womb, and He even knows us before that (Jeremiah 1:5). Thus, to God anyway, life begins at the least the moment of conception, according to the Bible.

The Book of Exodus clearly indicates that the fetus does not have the same legal status as a person (Chapter 21:22-23).

That passage doesn't support your claim. What it literally states is that if a pregnant woman is injured which then causes her to give birth, but no further harm is done then the penalty is whatever the husband imposes. But if there is further injury, then the accused is to be sentenced to death. The passage makes no distinction between the injury or death of either the woman or the child. Some English translation mistakenly interpret the passage to be referring to miscarriage, but it is literally referring to premature birth.
 
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Thank you for that. I have often wondered about that, and assumed as much as you have said here, but it is good to hear confirmation (and good for us to agree on something... the 2nd Coming can't be far off now, lol!)
 
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That would be the 5th Commandment: Thou shall not murder.
This is indeed how this commandment has been understood by Christians since the very beginning. This is evidenced by the Didiche, when it says, "You shall not kill a child by abortion nor slay it when born." This is also echoed by Barnabas, word for word in his epistle. Not Scripture, of course, but early evidence that this was indeed the Christian teaching.
 
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Thank you for that. I have often wondered about that, and assumed as much as you have said here, but it is good to hear confirmation (and good for us to agree on something... the 2nd Coming can't be far off now, lol!)

Hey, we look for unity wherever we can!!

Look, that's three of us from different synods agreeing on something.

And Hell isn't even frozen today!!
Weather for Hell, MI
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49°F | 40°F
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Current: Partly Cloudy
Wind: E at 13 mph
Humidity: 35%


 
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And I just looked out my window and a pig flew by!
 
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Fetus has no soul?

Never heard that before.

This is what I understand:
Fetus is alive.

Alive means presence of oxygen.

Fetus lives off mother's blood (oxygen).

When God breathed in Adam (oxygen), Adam became a living soul.

(NIV) Gen.2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. (Hebrew for 'being" is nephesh - soul)

Am I missing something here?

Thanks,
Ed
 
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Hammer, meet Nail.
 
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To me, it's as simple as this:

Life begets life. Humans beget humans. Living humans beget living humans. Just as an infant and an adult are both human in different stages, so too a fetus is a human in yet another different stage of the mystery and miracle of life.
 
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