Leaving ELCA

[laxster]

If plainly unscriptural behavior is openly approved of by a leadership ... and people that claim to be followers of Scriptures decide to stay ... it appears to me they simply like their social circle they call "church" and afraid of splits more than doing what is right.

I came from an atheist background.
At that time, to me church was something one goes at Christmas to show respect to historical Jesus.
That's all.
I had other social clubs. Church was never one of them.

Thanks,
Ed

I joined to respond to this post. I have to say that the whole recent decision by the ELCA really rankled me, and I considered leaving. However, I have not because my pastors have been absolutely excellent folks, and the congregation is incredibly caring. Over the past few years I have stepped into positions of leadership with Youth Ministry, and Outreach, and do not want to leave my duty derelict. These are things that take time to work yourself into.

I'm not happy with the ELCA, but I'm perfectly happy with my church. Why cut all those ties? I too, came from an athiest background. Not by my own choosing, but my dad's. He fell out of the church, and it deeply hurt my grandmother who was a devout Lutheran (LCMS). She had wanted for him to enter the clergy. Early-on in college I found my way seeking for something deeper, and returned to the church I had been baptized at and where my cousins used to go. They really helped me find Christ, and to the point where I am strongly considering Seminary. (Ironic!)

I just couldn't cut all that off. I'd rather work to change things from within.

 

[Tangible]

Welcome, laxter.

 

[Edial]

I joined to respond to this post. I have to say that the whole recent decision by the ELCA really rankled me, and I considered leaving. However, I have not because my pastors have been absolutely excellent folks, and the congregation is incredibly caring. Over the past few years I have stepped into positions of leadership with Youth Ministry, and Outreach, and do not want to leave my duty derelict. These are things that take time to work yourself into.

I'm not happy with the ELCA, but I'm perfectly happy with my church. Why cut all those ties? I too, came from an athiest background. Not by my own choosing, but my dad's. He fell out of the church, and it deeply hurt my grandmother who was a devout Lutheran (LCMS). She had wanted for him to enter the clergy. Early-on in college I found my way seeking for something deeper, and returned to the church I had been baptized at and where my cousins used to go. They really helped me find Christ, and to the point where I am strongly considering Seminary. (Ironic!)

I just couldn't cut all that off. I'd rather work to change things from within.

Sure. It's up to you.

My only plea is for people that call themselves conservatives in that area, not to keep quiet so not to rock the boat.

Others, that look at the Scriptures as something that could be explained away, let them believe what they believe.

But the "silent majority" that believes the Bible is who dilutes Biblical Christianity.

... the other guys are not silent at all.

Look what they did.
They embrassed Lutheranism for ALL to see and for non Christians to argue that's what God "approves".

Utter shame.

Welcome To TCL, by the way.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[lux et lex]

A church affirming premarital sex...

And...

 

[Tangible]

There seems to be a growing consensus that there should probably be only two Lutheran forums - "Quia" Lutherans and "Quatenus" Lutherans.

 

[LutheranHawkeye]

I'm thinking if we rename TCL something along the lines of Sola Scriptura, it'll scare a few people away.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I for one don't want to scare ELCA people away.

Somehow, they need to hear the Truth, because God knows they're not getting it from their synod.

 

[LutheranHawkeye]

This person should be limited to an ELCA site for displaying what is provocative and offensive to conservative Lutherans. I consider this intimidation and counterproductive to have "pro choice christian" in my face.

Cos

Pro Choice Christian....lol, seriously though she'll have to stay in the ELCA forum to display that funny stuff.

 

[LutheranMafia]

I for one don't want to scare ELCA people away.

Somehow, they need to hear the Truth, because God knows they're not getting it from their synod.

Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.

 

[seajoy]

Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.

And liberals so love to throw the word hate around when conservatives talk about Truth.

 

[TheCosmicGospel]

Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.

Hate? LOL You a funny buy. That we don't support those who support the murder of babies is what makes us virtuous Christians who are willing to take a stand that all life is holy and God given.

There are other ELCA forums to parade your right to be gay, kill babies, but this is not the place. Grow up.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.

Ah...so wanting the Truth to be taught is being called hate simply because you disagree with what the Truth is.

Gotcha.


Need I remind you:

 

[JoeCatch]

Yes, you will be attacked being ELCA - we, as Christians, cannot overlook your false teachings.

And liberals so love to throw the word hate around when conservatives talk about Truth.

It might have something to do with the fact that, as you yourself have pointed out here, conservatives here at TCL too often conflate talking about Truth with attacking persons who are in the ELCA. If you want to argue against the views of the ELCA--even vigorously--that's entirely appropriate. What I see frequently here, though, is a dehumanizing tendency to use doctrinal disagreements as a license for personal viciousness.

lux et lex, welcome to the board; I hope you'll stick around and contribute in spite of the inhospitable reception you've gotten. There are other ELCA Lutherans who contribute here regularly, and we're glad to have you among us! TCL is not a conservatives-only forum, no matter how often some here complain that they'd like it to be.

 

[seajoy]

It might have something to do with the fact that, as you yourself have pointed out here, conservatives here at TCL too often conflate talking about Truth with attacking persons who are in the ELCA. If you want to argue against the views of the ELCA--even vigorously--that's entirely appropriate. What I see frequently here, though, is a dehumanizing tendency to use doctrinal disagreements as a license for personal viciousness.

It really bugs you that I speak truth to you doesn't it. You can try and make me look as bad as you want....I won't stop speaking the truth. If you think we conservatives are vicious, you don't even know what the word means. The devil and his lies are vicious.

I find the pro-choice in your face tag line to be extremely offensive. That doesn't seem to bother you at all. Guess it just matters what side you are on when you speak of viciousness. What would you call murdering babies? I call it vicious.

 

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[JoeCatch]

It really bugs you that I speak truth to you doesn't it. You can try and make me look as bad as you want....I won't stop speaking the truth. If you think we conservatives are vicious, you don't even know what the word means. The devil and his lies are vicious.

Believe it or not, no, it doesn't bug me that you speak your understanding of the truth at all. In case you haven't noticed, I do just fine at refuting the arguments that the confessional crowd around here calls "truth."

As I pointed out earlier, I have absolutely no problem with vigorous discussion and debate. I just don't understand why everything has to be made so personal for some around here.

I find the pro-choice in your face tag line to be extremely offensive. That doesn't seem to bother you at all. Guess it just matters what side you are on when you speak of viciousness. What would you call murdering babies? I call it vicious.

Actually, I have signatures turned off so the threads will load more quickly. I haven't even seen the allegedly offensive tag of which you speak.

 

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[lux et lex]

I find the pro-choice in your face tag line to be extremely offensive. That doesn't seem to bother you at all. Guess it just matters what side you are on when you speak of viciousness. What would you call murdering babies? I call it vicious.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not going anywhere because it's true.

 

[seajoy]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not going anywhere because it's true.

You are sorry I feel murdering babies is vicious?

 

[lux et lex]

No I'm sorry you are offended by my signature. I don't view abortion is "murdering" a "baby". That's sensationalist. But that has nothing to do with the OP's topic at hand so I will not discuss it here with you.