leadership

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Women from the early 1800's - Bing Images

 

[blackribbon]

I think some of the social ills of today have always existed such as adultery in marriage . But not to the extent that it occurs today . Plus. , roles in marriage were of the traditional sort instead of a Man playing Mr. Mom while his wife is some high powered Executive working at Wall Street.

When I said 'wear the pants in the family'... I was referring to the Wife running rough-shod over her husband and his authority. I believe back then Wives were far more respectful of their husbands, weren't the typical Feminists of today, and had much more self respect for themselves than today. Sure there must have been Floosies like at the Western Saloons on a Friday Night for the CowPokes....but like today, these kinds of 'ladies' aren't respected by men because they don't have self respect for themselves. Like today, they use their sexuality to make money and gain fame . Ill bet there was only Syphillis back then , and not 33 STD's like today .

Really? Where to begin...maybe Rahab in the book of Joshua? or back up a little bit, and wonder what the people on the world did that was so bad God decided to destroy it all in a single swoop?

And yes, most of the STDs that exist today where around back then...they just didn't know how to diagnose and label them...or treat them either.

Back in the good old days (late 1800's), Florence Nightangale rebelled against her parents and her place in society, and became a nurse (how horrific). Back in those days, the profession was reserved for prostitutes and the destitute. Sounds like she might not have been a demure sweet thing either (thank goodness).

 

[blackribbon]

Women from the early 1800's - Bing Images

The image that first popped up was a woman sitting in an inviting pose wearing only her undergarments... REALLY? that is your evidence?

During the Victorian days, Queen Victoria decided that men were so unable to control their sexual drives that even piano legs and furniture legs need to be "dressed" or else all men would be driven into sinning. Sound like a sexually health period?

 

[blackribbon]

(I've got to drive my daughter to softball practice so I will be away for a little while though I am enjoying this conversation....talk later).

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

I think I just read here that many slaves were happy with their lot because the good "Christian" slave masters exercised nice "Biblical" principles on how to take good care of them. What year is this - I don't remember. The way most slaves were treated is historically verifiable and it differs from what is presented by the "Lost Cause" propaganda. But what's the point in trying to mention facts? I give up.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I think I just read here that many slaves were happy with their lot because the good "Christian" slave masters exercised nice "Biblical" principles on how to take good care of them. What year is this - I don't remember. The way most slaves were treated is historically verifiable and it differs from what is presented by the "Lost Cause" propaganda. But what's the point in trying to mention facts? I give up.

The N.T. of the Bible sets stern guidelines on how Masters should treat Slaves and how Slaves should honor and work for their Employers . Im sure as a Slave back in those days, Christian Masters were favored to work for . So yes...given the culture of Slavery....CHristian Masters had a big responsibility on treating Slaves fairly . Ill bet it was profoundly different from how Atheist Masters treated their Slaves according to man-desired moral relativism . Ill bet Slaves under that situation detested their Masters and rightly so

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

The image that first popped up was a woman sitting in an inviting pose wearing only her undergarments... REALLY? that is your evidence?

During the Victorian days, Queen Victoria decided that men were so unable to control their sexual drives that even piano legs and furniture legs need to be "dressed" or else all men would be driven into sinning. Sound like a sexually health period?

No doubt about it, Mankind has always been corrupt, immoral, unethical, and narcissistic leading to atrocities , crime, and societal degradation. It will always be this way and particularly from now on . Perhaps the most obvious thing is that today, there is little or no shame for the vast immoral lifestyles that make America the cesspool of filth that it is today ; everything imaginable seems to be 'coming out' desensitizing the Masses over a shorter period of time than ever before . Ill bet way back when, there was a greater feeling of shame and guilt ... and that many indecorous activity was kept behind closed doors from public view. Not so today. 7 pm Family TV Time is pretty much a cocktail of partial nudity / quasi-vile language / and compromising bedroom scenes with the automatic laughing-audience in the background.

 

[blackribbon]

The N.T. of the Bible sets stern guidelines on how Masters should treat Slaves and how Slaves should honor and work for their Employers . Im sure as a Slave back in those days, Christian Masters were favored to work for . So yes...given the culture of Slavery....CHristian Masters had a big responsibility on treating Slaves fairly . Ill bet it was profoundly different from how Atheist Masters treated their Slaves according to man-desired moral relativism . Ill bet Slaves under that situation detested their Masters and rightly so

Many (if I dare say most) American Christian slave owners did not believe that slaves were "people" so they felt no obligation to treat them "fairly". History says very different than what you theorize.

 

[blackribbon]

All I can say, David, is that you must have lived a very sheltered life. History isn't as pretty or ethical as you want it to be. I can find current cultures that live very moral and ethical lives ...and I find very corrupt societies in every time frame you can name...usually very mainstream.

 

[blackribbon]

When it comes to leadership....is a man's job to step up and take the role?...or is it a woman's job to step back and defer the responsibilities to force the man to take leadership?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I just read an article that said that the event of the Superbowl has authorities worried because of human trafficking! there is still human slavery today, right in front of our eyes sometimes. I had no idea!

 

[dayhiker]

I heard many many years ago that prostitutes traveled to the super bowl looking for work. I think human trafficking is just the latest key word to use for all prostitution.

 

[bhsmte]

I think some of the social ills of today have always existed such as adultery in marriage . But not to the extent that it occurs today . Plus. , roles in marriage were of the traditional sort instead of a Man playing Mr. Mom while his wife is some high powered Executive working at Wall Street.

When I said 'wear the pants in the family'... I was referring to the Wife running rough-shod over her husband and his authority. I believe back then Wives were far more respectful of their husbands, weren't the typical Feminists of today, and had much more self respect for themselves than today. Sure there must have been Floosies like at the Western Saloons on a Friday Night for the CowPokes....but like today, these kinds of 'ladies' aren't respected by men because they don't have self respect for themselves. Like today, they use their sexuality to make money and gain fame . Ill bet there was only Syphillis back then , and not 33 STD's like today .

Respect as you say, is earned and some frankly, don't earn any.

When respect is demanded from another person and it has not been earned, turmoil is right around the corner.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Many (if I dare say most) American Christian slave owners did not believe that slaves were "people" so they felt no obligation to treat them "fairly". History says very different than what you theorize.

If the Christian Masters were TRUE genuine Followers of Christ and the Bible...then they treated their Slaves fairly exactly as The Bible mandates. Theres always been 'professed Christians' in history however, that aren't the real McCoy.... but we aren't talking about them here.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Respect as you say, is earned and some frankly, don't earn any.

When respect is demanded from another person and it has not been earned, turmoil is right around the corner.

To the Secularist it may have to be earned...but The Biblical Mandate is to show respect to EVERYONE because they are made in the very image of their Creator, God. Its the actions , talk and behavior of People that Christians disrespect and are to be intolerant of .

 

[bhsmte]

To the Secularist it may have to be earned...but The Biblical Mandate is to show respect to EVERYONE because they are made in the very image of their Creator, God. Its the actions , talk and behavior of People that Christians disrespect and are to be intolerant of .

I wouldn't call it secular, I would call it the reality of the human psyche.

True respect is earned through one's behavior and is not demanded.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I wouldn't call it secular, I would call it the reality of the human psyche.

True respect is earned through one's behavior and is not demanded.

I concur! People treat other people with respect because those people felt the other people deserved it because they treated other people with respect also.

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

If the Christian Masters were TRUE genuine Followers of Christ and the Bible...then they treated their Slaves fairly exactly as The Bible mandates. Theres always been 'professed Christians' in history however, that aren't the real McCoy.... but we aren't talking about them here.

Well then, all I can say is, God save us from "morality."

“All Right, Then, I’ll Go to Hell”: Personal Morality in Huckleberry Finn | Writing Derrick

 

[blackribbon]

The Bible has rules for the Hebrews/Jews who owns slaves...along with a million other rules that Christians don't recognize.

The New Testament only talks about slaves from the viewpoint of how a Christian who happens to be a slave should behave. I don't think that there are any verses that say it is okay for a Christian to own another man. I would think that the model Christ gave us would show that it was not congruent with a Christian lifestyle.

John 13: 12-17
12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

I am not sure how you could be a slave owner who washed the slaves feet. We are called to live like Christ. Can you really imagine Jesus "owning" a couple slaves even if he treated them "well"?

 

[dayhiker]

Thanks for posting that, Doc ... been a long while since I'd thought about that scene.