lcms and wels diffs?

[ContraMundum]

i hope i'm not opening a can of worms here, but what's with the anglicans coming into this sub-forum and stirring stuff up? sheesh!

Stirring things up?

I just asked a question. I'm sorry if that makes you feel threatened, but I assure you that I don't mean to stir things- I know DaRev is up to answering at the level I would need. He knows the drill.

 

[seajoy]

Stirring things up?

I just asked a question. I'm sorry if that makes you feel threatened, but I assure you that I don't mean to stir things- I know DaRev is up to answering at the level I would need. He knows the drill.

Glad there is someone here at your level - sorry the rest of us are so lowly.

 

[ContraMundum]

Who I pray with is between me and my Lord. I don't appreciate your statement.

???

No sense of irony/humour? I found humour in your comment.

FYI- I used to belong to an Orthodox Lutheran Church that pretty much controlled its members regarding prayer fellowship (and other things). If someone prayed with someone from another Lutheran church, they were seen to be as engaging in unionism, and this was de facto considered sinful.

I knew two guys- both from strict Lutheran churches, from different congregations/denominations, who were best friends and life-long neighbours. They went on long camping trips together, and every night they would have to retire to different parts of the camps to pray- and they used the same prayers!

With that in mind, I found your comment amusing. I honestly thought you would see it too- hence the smileys. I don't think it's a sin to find humour in life or one's religion.

 

[ContraMundum]

Glad there is someone here at your level - sorry the rest of us are so lowly.

I don't think you are lowly and never said so- but I asked DaRev directly because I know him and his ability.

 

[alexnbethmom]

I agree 100%. But I have to admit the first thing that went though my mind when I read that is "Yeah, but who is she allowed to pray with?"

Funny old world, eh?

Stirring things up?

I just asked a question. I'm sorry if that makes you feel threatened, but I assure you that I don't mean to stir things- I know DaRev is up to answering at the level I would need. He knows the drill.

um - i don't feel threatened, why on earth would this make me feel threatened? the comment i made was referring to the top quote here, not the question you asked before that statement....that particular statement was not necessary, and i can see how it would and could be something that could hurt someone's feelings....

i mentioned it, because there was another thread in here where another person with an anglican icon came in and was quite rude and insulting - it appeared that that particular comment was aimed in the same direction....

and i apologize for the rest of us apparently not being at "your level"....

God bless you.....

 

[seajoy]

???

No sense of irony/humour? I found humour in your comment.

FYI- I used to belong to an Orthodox Lutheran Church that pretty much controlled its members regarding prayer fellowship (and other things). If someone prayed with someone from another Lutheran church, they were seen to be as engaging in unionism, and this was de facto considered sinful.

I knew two guys- both from strict Lutheran churches, from different congregations/denominations, who were best friends and life-long neighbours. They went on long camping trips together, and every night they would have to retire to different parts of the camps to pray- and they used the same prayers!

With that in mind, I found your comment amusing. I honestly thought you would see it too- hence the smileys. I don't think it's a sin to find humour in life or one's religion.

When it's funny, I agree. It's just that in two separate threads this week we have had people from the Anglican forum come into the conservative Lutheran forum to poke at us. Guess I don't get that.

 

[seajoy]

I don't think you are lowly and never said so- but I asked DaRev directly because I know him and his ability.

Guess when you have a question, you should start your own thread and ask for only Rev's advice.

 

[ContraMundum]

um - i don't feel threatened, why on earth would this make me feel threatened? the comment i made was referring to the top quote here, not the question you asked before that statement....that particular statement was not necessary, and i can see how it would and could be something that could hurt someone's feelings....

Sorry I misinterpreted you.

i mentioned it, because there was another thread in here where another person with an anglican icon came in and was quite rude and insulting - it appeared that that particular comment was aimed in the same direction....

and i apologize for the rest of us apparently not being at "your level"....

When it's funny, I agree. It's just that in two separate threads this week we have had people from the Anglican forum come into the conservative Lutheran forum to poke at us. Guess I don't get that.

I can't answer for the actions of others! Trust me when I tell you that not many people here from other traditions are as Lutheran-friendly as I am. I've even told more than one poster here to seriously check out Lutheranism as an alternative to their (then) situations. They will back me up.

Guess when you have a question, you should start your own thread and ask for only Rev's advice.

This thread will do the job just fine- why not?

 

[alexnbethmom]

contra - i'm sorry....i truly am....i'm feeling a little defensive this morning, and i shouldn't be; i guess i'm taking it out on you, and that isn't right, i shouldn't do that....please accept my apology, and i do hope you have a blessed day....

 

[ContraMundum]

contra - i'm sorry....i truly am....i'm feeling a little defensive this morning, and i shouldn't be; i guess i'm taking it out on you, and that isn't right, i shouldn't do that....please accept my apology, and i do hope you have a blessed day....

Thank you for that- and no need to apologise. I was reading back and saw that this was out of the norm for you- you are a great contributor here, so I understand. I am often like that and have said a great many things that I regret- you are far better a poster than I!

 

[seajoy]

I can't answer for the actions of others!

Very true - sorry I was cranky.

 

[ContraMundum]

Very true - sorry I was cranky.

No probs!

 

[Zecryphon]

Stirring things up?

I just asked a question. I'm sorry if that makes you feel threatened, but I assure you that I don't mean to stir things- I know DaRev is up to answering at the level I would need. He knows the drill.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't think the question about "Anglicans coming in here and stirring things up" was directed at you specifically. Very recently we had another Anglican come in here and cause trouble and insult us directly. I really don't think Alex or anyone else in here is threatened by a question from you.

If you truly don't want to stir things up as you claim, may I suggest that you don't accuse people of being threatened by a question and don't single out one member of this forum as being "up to answering at the level you would need," because that makes it sound like nobody else can handle your questions and insinuates that we are all dumb. I, for one, do not appreciate insinuations of such here.

 

[Studeclunker]

I would feel perfectly fine if I had to attend a WELS church for instance. An ELCA one I wouldn't step foot through the door.

I just wonder why we can't be in communal fellowship though (LCMS with WELS).

LCMS & WELS used to be in full fellowship up till the early fifties. The trouble started in the mid thirties when LCMS declaired full fellowship with the ALC (one of the Synods who would be a main player in the E*CA decades later). This was intolerable for WELS. It took over fifteen years for them to sever ties with LCMS, and in the early fifties they did. This caused a lot of pain and division in WELS and this already small Synodical fellowship suffered a split because of it. So, you can see why they are a bit gun-shy about many issues today.

One of the other complaints the WELS have about LCMS is their inconsistancy. By the natural result of their rather loose organization, their congregations are very inconsistant as to their... practices. None seem to have gone quite so far as E*CA... quite. Still, this is that consistant-inconsistancy that I've remarked on several places in this forum. Add to that, the struggles LCMS is having with it's liberal element. First the Seminex fight in the seventies, now the same group is back at it again. The previous Synodical President was involved in some very questionable practices and he has left behind a very mixed-up hierarchy in the Synodical leadership. All of this, in my opinion, a result of the affiliation with ALC.

So, WELS shows considerable (perhaps a bit too much sometimes) caution. Frankly, I think the majority of the leadership of WELS is a bit overwhelmed with the rampant liberalism and liberality that has infected so many Christian fellowships. Hence the reaction of extreme caution. These good people don't want their own fellowship infected with the same disease.

I still hold some hope for the redemption of the LCMS. My fervent prayer is that they will, once again, rise above this incursion of the liberals into their fellowship. I hope this time they're a bit more thorough in cleaning their house. Should this hope and prayer be answered, there just might be hope for a re-unification with WELS. However, that won't be a possibility in the near future, sadly.

 

[DaRev]

LCMS & WELS used to be in full fellowship up till the early fifties. The trouble started in the mid thirties when LCMS declaired full fellowship with the ALC (one of the Synods who would be a main player in the E*CA decades later). This was intolerable for WELS. It took over fifteen years for them to sever ties with LCMS, and in the early fifties they did.

Not quite right.

The LCMS, WELS, ELS, and SELC were in full fellowship, referred to as the Evangelical Lutheran Synodical Conference of North America. The ELS left the synodical conference in 1955. The WELS left in 1961. The Synodical Conference formally dissolved in 1963. The LCMS didn't declare fellowship with the ALC until 1969.

 

[Aibrean]

Well I do have to say I know firsthand of the inconsistencies in LCMS congregations.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Well I do have to say I know firsthand of the inconsistencies in LCMS congregations.

Your point?

 

[Aibrean]

I'm commenting on Stude's post.

 

[QuiltAngel]

I'm commenting on Stude's post.

Doh, I see it now. Long day for me.

 

[joyfulthanks]

I can vouch for Contra - he is a friend and a good egg. As he said, we once had a conversation about issues I was having with my (then) Methodist church, and he suggested I check out the Lutheran church. I have a lot of respect for him, and I would hate to see him get painted with the same brush as other recent Anglican posters who were somewhat less than gracious.