Law of sin and death?

[Tone]

What is the purpose of a seed?

To preserve the genetic material...why?

 

[Mercy74]

Again Mercy, you asked me about the only son, not the firstborn? I do not understand why you keep referencing more than an only son. Torah presents Isaac as a sole heir among Abrahams other sons. The one seed.

Isaac can not be there sole heir when he has brothers? Please give scriptures to support your logic "sole heir".

 

[mark kennedy]

Isaac can not be there sole heir when he has brothers? Please give scriptures to support your logic "sole heir".

Genesis 22:2 comes to mind.

 

[ralliann]

Isaac can not be there sole heir when he has brothers? Please give scriptures to support your logic "sole heir".

I already gave you scripture. But here is more..
Ge 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Abraham, Isaac Jacob and the twelve patriarchs were not given an inheritance in the temporal inheritance..covenant. That covenant concerned the fourth generation of his seed... (Gen 15) The eternal inheritance (royal inheritance) found in Genesis 17 in which Abraham hoped for after his death. He was already told he would die in the covenant made in Genesis 15. This is why God tested his faith with the resurrection of Isaac his only son.
Gen 15 :13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Faith in the resurrection of the dead... to inherit the eternal inheritance

Joseph knew he would be dead also......
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence
Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

with you.

 

[Tone]

To preserve the genetic material...why?

Because that is the information of life...to construct the shoot, the roots, the vine,the branches,the fruit...why the fruit?

Because, that is where the seeds are!

Psalm 126:5-6
"Those who sow in tears shall reap with joyful shouting. He who goes to and fro weeping, carrying his bag of seed, Shall indeed come again with a shout of joy, bringing his sheaves with him."

 

[Tone]

Again Mercy, you asked me about the only son, not the firstborn? I do not understand why you keep referencing more than an only son. Torah presents Isaac as a sole heir among Abrahams other sons. The one seed.

The seed of Abraham was Ishmael....Abraham's Seed is through Isaac...

Abraham's firstborn was Ishmael...Yah's firstborn is through Isaac...

 

[Tone]

"Mark 7:8-9
“You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” And he said to them, You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!”

Because the Jews were so hostile to Gentiles, few Gentiles even wanted to understand the Law of God, the Torah (instructions), and when Gentiles were brave enough to approach mainstream leadership of the Jews in the first century, they made the process unnecessarily complicated. This in effect, rendered the Law of God powerless with the Gentiles, please remember that as we continue in Ephesians.

Another example of this can be found in Actss chapter 10 in which, Peter was shown a vision that he should not consider it unlawful to associate with Gentiles:

Acts 10:28
And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.

The reason that Peter thought it was unlawful was not because of the Law of God, but because the Pharisees, the Orthodox Jewish leadership or Rabbinates that taught such through their oral law and their traditions of men. Peter mistakenly believed and followed the Pharisees in these matters.

Not only did Jewish leadership put up a spiritual wall between Jew and Gentile, they actually put up a literal wall as well in the temple courts called the “middle wall of separation” or s’yag (in Hebrew or soreg).

So, the Law of God, the torah and Gentile were literally and spiritually separated because of the actions of first-century Jewish leadership."
What is the middle wall of partition in Ephesians 2

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Luke 11:52
"52Woe to you experts in the law! For you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

"Commandment of Yah" VS. "tradition of men"

...Seed of the Woman...seed of the serpent...

Genesis 3:15
"15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

*Peace and Unity/confusion and division...

 

[Mercy74]

Genesis 22:2 comes to mind.

Abraham dwelled in the land that he was promised to possess. Abraham already could touch the "substance" of what he hoped for. The people of the land called Abraham a prince, the evidence of things unseen. Abraham was blessed by a high priest. Can what Sarah said disannul co-heirs between the two firstborns from their mother womb? Did you know that Isaac and Ishmael buried their father Abraham together?

 

[Mercy74]

I already gave you scripture. But here is more..
Ge 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Abraham, Isaac Jacob and the twelve patriarchs were not given an inheritance in the temporal inheritance..covenant. That covenant concerned the fourth generation of his seed... (Gen 15) The eternal inheritance (royal inheritance) found in Genesis 17 in which Abraham hoped for after his death. He was already told he would die in the covenant made in Genesis 15. This is why God tested his faith with the resurrection of Isaac his only son.
Gen 15 :13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Faith in the resurrection of the dead... to inherit the eternal inheritance

Joseph knew he would be dead also......
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence
Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

with you.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob dwelled in the promise land, they were pilgrims in a foreign land. They already could touch the "substance" of what they hoped for. They built wells and planted harvests, the "evidence" of things unseen. Abraham dreamed of a holy city whose builder is G-d.

 

[Tone]

Abraham's Seed is through Isaac

Matthew 16:16
"16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven."

Abraham's Seed...Peter's Seed...both from the Father above...[Insert Your Name Here]'s Seed...

Matthew 16:18
"18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."

 

[ralliann]

Abraham dwelled in the land that he was promised to possess.

As a stranger and a sojourner, as did Isaac and Jacob.

Abraham already could touch the "substance" of what he hoped for. The people of the land called Abraham a prince, the evidence of things unseen. Abraham was blessed by a high priest.

And this does not change the scriptures I have given

Can what Sarah said disannul co-heirs between the two firstborns from their mother womb?

Sarah confirmed what God said, as the law concerning the firstborn came 4oo years after. I think you have it backwards here....there was nothing for Sarah to disannul.
Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Did you know that Isaac and Ishmael buried their father Abraham together?

And???
Again Isaac is called an only born by God himself. Abraham gave gifts to the sons of his concubines while he yet lived ( this is not an inheritance), but Abraham gave all he had unto Isaac (this is an inheritance). That is the scripture of the law.

 

[ralliann]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob dwelled in the promise land, they were pilgrims in a foreign land. They already could touch the "substance" of what they hoped for. They built wells and planted harvests, the "evidence" of things unseen. Abraham dreamed of a holy city whose builder is G-d.

They touched the "likeness" not the substance. That land is not eternal. The heavenly is eternal. You have addressed none of the scripture I have brought up, other than Sarah being wrong???????????

 

[ralliann]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob dwelled in the promise land, they were pilgrims in a foreign land. They already could touch the "substance" of what they hoped for. They built wells and planted harvests, the "evidence" of things unseen. Abraham dreamed of a holy city whose builder is G-d.

Right they dwelt as foreigners
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

The promise of the earthly inheritance (temporal) was to the fourth generation of his seed

 

[ralliann]

Isaac can not be there sole heir when he has brothers? Please give scriptures to support your logic "sole heir".

Be careful to not disannul by the law which came 430 years after.
Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[pinacled]

I've personally wondered and questioned; where is the lion of the tribe of Ishmael?

 

[visionary]

I've personally wondered and questioned; where is the lion of the tribe of Ishmael?

There is a lion?

 

[Mercy74]

As a stranger and a sojourner, as did Isaac and Jacob.
And this does not change the scriptures I have given

Sarah confirmed what God said, as the law concerning the firstborn came 4oo years after. I think you have it backwards here....there was nothing for Sarah to disannul.
Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
And???
Again Isaac is called an only born by God himself. Abraham gave gifts to the sons of his concubines while he yet lived ( this is not an inheritance), but Abraham gave all he had unto Isaac (this is an inheritance). That is the scripture of the law.

You are trying to prove a point that has never been established. Abraham had more than one son, period. You are changing the scriptures not I. Again Abraham can never have a sole heir, if the son have brothers. G-d gave his only begotten son (John 3:16), Yeshua a sole heir or as it is written, "co-heirs" (Romans 8:17). I keep posting scriptures that disapprove of our ideology.

 

[Mercy74]

They touched the "likeness" not the substance. That land is not eternal. The heavenly is eternal. You have addressed none of the scripture I have brought up, other than Sarah being wrong???????????

You make assumptions among presumptuous statements. I never said Sarah was wrong, I asked you if she could disannul the holy scriptures? I have addressed your misapplication of scripture. Abraham had many sons, much in the same way , it is written "sons of G-d" or children of G-d. I posted Romans 8:17 which totally dismantle your sole heir oppinion. Abraham blessed all his sons.

 

[ralliann]

You make assumptions among presumptuous statements. I never said Sarah was wrong, I asked you if she could disannul the holy scriptures? I have addressed your misapplication of scripture. Abraham had many sons, much in the same way , it is written "sons of G-d" or children of G-d. I posted Romans 8:17 which totally dismantle your sole heir oppinion. Abraham blessed all his sons.

Did I assume wrong that Sarah cannot disannul holy scripture? Certainly you were not hinting that you thought she would be right in doing so... ? The law which you used was what could not disannul the covenant of which we are speaking of.....
I am sorry, I truly am, but you are doing the same thing With Jesus as you have done with Isaac. Apart from Jesus, we would not be children and heirs, it is in Christ the new covenant is established. Why because Jesus was the only begotten son of God, again sole heir. In other it is through Isaac, just as it is through Christ.
Ge 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
No dismantling concerning seed of Abraham...………..That in itself does not make for children let alone heirs. Ironically Romans goes right back to Isaac as an example...….
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: {Of: or, To }

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Ge 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.


This all began with you asking me the question concerning an ONLY SON, I answered.

I am done here, be well

 

[Mercy74]

Be careful to not disannul by the law which came 430 years after.
Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Do you even know which law Paul the Pharisee is referring? You keep saying the same thing, but you do not understand what Paul is saying. There is a law however you are attempting to disannul with your non-scriptural doctrine of "sole heir". I asked you for the exact words "sole heir" written in scripture, you have failed to do so. I have given you words explicitly written in scripture "co-heirs". Romans 8:17.