Lake Suigetsu, the Flood and Objects of Known Age

[pgp_protector]

Good thread & enjoyable read.

 

[Patashu]

Has anyone stopped to ask dad what his hypothesis actually is? I stopped at page 12 but from what I was seeing he was just saying 'things were different so that doesn't count' but never saying exactly WHAT he was suggesting.

 

[pgp_protector]

Has anyone stopped to ask dad what his hypothesis actually is? I stopped at page 12 but from what I was seeing he was just saying 'things were different so that doesn't count' but never saying exactly WHAT he was suggesting.

Dad's view.
Poof God Did it. Case Closed

 

[Patashu]

Dad's view.
Poof God Did it. Case Closed

I think I'll let him answer.

Who knows, he may have something with predictive power.

 

[FishFace]

I think I'll let him answer.

Who knows, he may have something with predictive power.

Hahaha! You're joking, right? We've asked him many times for explanations that can make predictions, every single time that I know of he's said something along the lines of, "it was different, so a different process caused it." The very epitome of ad-hoc nonsense. We "in the game" as it were refer to this as dad-hoccery for that reason.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Good thread & enjoyable read.

I also like this thread. I recently collected some scholarly papers on the subject. A paper by Tanimura et al (J. Phycology 42 270-279 (2006)) has some very good pictures of one varved sequence. I have attached a sequence showing varves from a sequence running from about 7.5 to 8 meters in an 11 meter long piston core. A detailed picture of 12 varves from the area enclosed by the dark square at about 780 cm is shown in the other attachment.

 

[plindboe]

If you have 40,000 layers and the earth is 6,000 years old, then you would have had to accumulate 6.66 layers per year.
We all know that this is the number of the antichrist.

Which proves that the 6000 year claim is actually of satanic origin!

Numerology and flawed logic be praised!

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

bump

 

[dad]

Pretty much all of you have seen this graph:

It's commonly used to support various dating methods by showinga strong correlation between them, which would be extremely hrd to explain if they were flawed in some major way.

Nope, not any more.

However, there is something else that struck me about it:
Assuming that a global flood happened, all these varves and coral layers elsewhere would have to have formed after that flood. We have things which could not possibly be pre-flood or mid-flood which give very old C14 readings.

In other words, anything which puts off C14 dating would have to have happened after the flood, the flood itself is not a valid explaination for this anymore at all (it never really was...but anyway).

Nope. The decay stuff can't be valid too far back.

However, this also has strong implications regarding what we should see if we date things of known age. As long as the mysterious process which oddly put both C14 and the lake varves off to the same degree
was still going on we should consistently get too old readings for things of known age - i.e. anything that is 3700 years old should give a ~20,000 years reading if the process took until about 3000 years ago. However, that is not what we observe. E.g. egyptian mummies come up with nice dates.
And tree ring counts (of individual old trees, not sequences patched together from several trees!) indicate that no major changes ocured for a very long time either.

The mummies are closer to the present state accuracy range. The rest is wrong, apparently in a way that has a pattern!

This means that it would have to have happened very rapidly after the supposed flood but before a significant chunk of recorded history and tree ring data began.


So...question to the YECs: How long did it take for the varves to form after the flood?

No need to put them after.

How many varves formed in the year after the flood?
How many in the year 5 post flood?
Year 10?
Year 20?
Year 50?
Year 100?
...

Please be specific. Any higher resolution of years would be welcome.

Since no need exists to place them after the flood, this is moot. As explored in another thread, dropping your limitations of this present state, for the past makes all things possible.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Nope, not any more. Nope. The decay stuff can't be valid too far back. The mummies are closer to the present state accuracy range. The rest is wrong, apparently in a way that has a pattern! No need to put them after. Since no need exists to place them after the flood, this is moot. As explored in another thread, dropping your limitations of this present state, for the past makes all things possible.

There is nothing in this post from dad that explains the data. It is just more evidence that all he can do is

 

[dad]

There is nothing in this post from dad that explains the data. It is just more evidence that all he can do is

How would you know what the past was like!!!?? All you do is imagine there is no heaven, and no Eden, and no flood, etc. You imagine a same state past! That leaves you in no position to say anything intelligent about it.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

How would you know what the past was like!!!?? All you do is imagine there is no heaven, and no Eden, and no flood, etc. You imagine a same state past! That leaves you in no position to say anything intelligent about it.

The data have been presented. Your different past totally fails to explain the correlations. As usual you have done nothing but .

 

[consol]

How would you know what the past was like!!!?? All you do is imagine there is no heaven, and no Eden, and no flood, etc. You imagine a same state past!

Whereas you imagine EVERYTHING, and your fertile imagination can explain ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow --- this thread is a blast from the past! The first time ever I discussed Embedded Age here in CF --- (Post 44).

 

[MrGoodBytes]

A glorious moment for us all.

 

[Quantic]

Goodness! Dad has been spewing this split non-sense for a long time. Wow!

 

[Split Rock]

Wow --- this thread is a blast from the past! The first time ever I discussed Embedded Age here in CF --- (Post 44).

A glorious moment for us all.

LOL!!

 

[AintNoMonkey]

great thread

 

[dad]

Whereas you imagine EVERYTHING, and your fertile imagination can explain ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

Not at all, I do not imagine everything, only that Gos is somehow real, and true, and right. The same state foundational belief is not something I made up, it is the real basis for all science, trying to impose itself on the past.

 

[dad]

The data have been presented. Your different past totally fails to explain the correlations. As usual you have done nothing but .

And I addressed the data in the OP. None of it dealt with proving some past state at all, just proceeding as if there was one. Trying to lock in how things are, with how things used to be. You forgot to connect the dots!