I'm just using your logic. If a single drink is the same as drunkenness, then a piece of cake is gluttony. Where do we draw the line on what is okay and what isn't?You're mocking me.
Once again, we are permitted for medicinal purposes.
That's the same as saying I'm tempting fate by eating a slice of cake after dinner. Lord, please don't let cake be the reason why I don't make it to Heaven.
Yeah, but when I gave that argument, it was like talking to a brick wall.
Got to talking to this woman online. She's part of our singles group and we got to talking about some of the male church leaders of that group.
She was saying she liked this particular guy (leader) as he was single, but won't date him because he'll like to have a drink on occasion. Her other friend, that's also a leader, won't date the co-leader...same reason. He'll have a beer...on occasion.
"Occasion" being the operative word here.
She said she liked him and wanted date him, but when he ordered a beer...total deal breaker.
I said to her, "You really need to lighten up on your standards"
and she goes, "That's the problem with Christians, they cave on their standards when they should be giving of themselves ENTIRELY to Christ"
Then we got into a debate about the feast at Cana's wedding and how Jesus turned water into wine...and she said "We're not Jesus" and I said, "Well, that just proves it's not a sin" and she said, "To me it is"
The logic that followed didn't make any sense, but she said she'd rather stay single her entire life than to date a man who drinks a beer on occasion.
I have noticed it's always the women who don't drink, but men...they tend to drink, even have a solo beer/wine on occasion.
She said "it kills the Witness" that someone who is coming to Christ as a newcomer, if they see that they have a drink in hand, it'll discredit that person and discredit their belief IN that person being Christian.
Do some of these ladies need to seriously lighten up and realize that drinking, in moderation, is not a sin?
Then, the truth come out....
She went on about how her husband and family members were alcoholics and abuse came of it and that.
So, her dealbreaker is based off a bad experience. Had she not experienced this, then...this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow she is thinking if her new boyfriend has a beer, that it'll lead him to be an abusive spouse, and beating the childrren...in the future.
Although, not sure if you can connect the two, as there's no real logic to this? But can't say I blame her, but isn't this an example of going from one extreme to the next?
But there seems to be a commonality that she and her female friend somehow thinks that any future guy they are crushing on has one beer, will he be assumed to be an abusive husband simply by having one drink?
So, their decision is predicated on the fact they were victims of alcohol abuse that lead to physical abuse of herself and her children and thusly, she won't date a man that even touches alcohol.
It's more PTSD than a Christian decision.
I think it's important when finding a significant other to agree on values that are important. For some people it's important to agree on this, for others it might be alright to compromise on. But generally if someone thinks something is a sin that the other regularly or occasionally does... that is a legitimate deal breaker.Got to talking to this woman online. She's part of our singles group and we got to talking about some of the male church leaders of that group.
She was saying she liked this particular guy (leader) as he was single, but won't date him because he'll like to have a drink on occasion. Her other friend, that's also a leader, won't date the co-leader...same reason. He'll have a beer...on occasion.
"Occasion" being the operative word here.
She said she liked him and wanted date him, but when he ordered a beer...total deal breaker.
I said to her, "You really need to lighten up on your standards"
and she goes, "That's the problem with Christians, they cave on their standards when they should be giving of themselves ENTIRELY to Christ"
Then we got into a debate about the feast at Cana's wedding and how Jesus turned water into wine...and she said "We're not Jesus" and I said, "Well, that just proves it's not a sin" and she said, "To me it is"
The logic that followed didn't make any sense, but she said she'd rather stay single her entire life than to date a man who drinks a beer on occasion.
I have noticed it's always the women who don't drink, but men...they tend to drink, even have a solo beer/wine on occasion.
She said "it kills the Witness" that someone who is coming to Christ as a newcomer, if they see that they have a drink in hand, it'll discredit that person and discredit their belief IN that person being Christian.
Do some of these ladies need to seriously lighten up and realize that drinking, in moderation, is not a sin?
Then, the truth come out....
She went on about how her husband and family members were alcoholics and abuse came of it and that.
So, her dealbreaker is based off a bad experience. Had she not experienced this, then...this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow she is thinking if her new boyfriend has a beer, that it'll lead him to be an abusive spouse, and beating the childrren...in the future.
Although, not sure if you can connect the two, as there's no real logic to this? But can't say I blame her, but isn't this an example of going from one extreme to the next?
But there seems to be a commonality that she and her female friend somehow thinks that any future guy they are crushing on has one beer, will he be assumed to be an abusive husband simply by having one drink?
So, their decision is predicated on the fact they were victims of alcohol abuse that lead to physical abuse of herself and her children and thusly, she won't date a man that even touches alcohol.
It's more PTSD than a Christian decision.
Is it uncomfortable that some people say you are sinning because you crack open a cold one?
Wow, this thread really took off! lol. I was wondering, is it even possible to find a Christian woman that doesn't have a problem dating someone that drinks on occasion? For some reason, I do. They are really nice girls, but...they are pretty steadfast on that particular deal breaker.
But I think you've posted elsewhere that the single women you come across tend to have already been married and often have kids. So it could be that alcohol has been a common reason contributing to those relationships breaking down, making it understandable that they might not want to date someone who drinks, even occasionally as their exes may have started out as occasional drinkers before things went south. But that suggests that the anti-alcohol stance has more to do with what's typical of relationships where you live rather than amongst Christians in general.
There are a ton of Christian women that won't date men who drink. Like entire denominations. Southern Baptist comes to mind. Church isn't for dating anyway. If it happens naturally great but that's not the primary focus.Right....the woman I was talking to about this said that she liked a particular guy in the group. I met him, great and nice guy. He leads the worship service in song, too.
Then she completely discounted him because he had a drink.
Isn't that like throwing the baby out with the bathwater? But again, that's her choice, and she's sticking to it. This is no different than women who will date men no shorter than 6 feet tall. Their friends and family will tell them, "You're being too picky!!" and they won't even listen to them.
Got to talking to this woman online. She's part of our singles group and we got to talking about some of the male church leaders of that group.
She was saying she liked this particular guy (leader) as he was single, but won't date him because he'll like to have a drink on occasion. Her other friend, that's also a leader, won't date the co-leader...same reason. He'll have a beer...on occasion.
"Occasion" being the operative word here.
She said she liked him and wanted date him, but when he ordered a beer...total deal breaker.
I said to her, "You really need to lighten up on your standards"
and she goes, "That's the problem with Christians, they cave on their standards when they should be giving of themselves ENTIRELY to Christ"
Then we got into a debate about the feast at Cana's wedding and how Jesus turned water into wine...and she said "We're not Jesus" and I said, "Well, that just proves it's not a sin" and she said, "To me it is"
The logic that followed didn't make any sense, but she said she'd rather stay single her entire life than to date a man who drinks a beer on occasion.
I have noticed it's always the women who don't drink, but men...they tend to drink, even have a solo beer/wine on occasion.
She said "it kills the Witness" that someone who is coming to Christ as a newcomer, if they see that they have a drink in hand, it'll discredit that person and discredit their belief IN that person being Christian.
Do some of these ladies need to seriously lighten up and realize that drinking, in moderation, is not a sin?
Then, the truth come out....
She went on about how her husband and family members were alcoholics and abuse came of it and that.
So, her dealbreaker is based off a bad experience. Had she not experienced this, then...this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow she is thinking if her new boyfriend has a beer, that it'll lead him to be an abusive spouse, and beating the childrren...in the future.
Although, not sure if you can connect the two, as there's no real logic to this? But can't say I blame her, but isn't this an example of going from one extreme to the next?
But there seems to be a commonality that she and her female friend somehow thinks that any future guy they are crushing on has one beer, will he be assumed to be an abusive husband simply by having one drink?
So, their decision is predicated on the fact they were victims of alcohol abuse that lead to physical abuse of herself and her children and thusly, she won't date a man that even touches alcohol.
It's more PTSD than a Christian decision.
So here's the thing guys and gals - our enemy, Satan, roams the earth, looking for souls to devour. Spiritual warfare is very real, we must not let our guards down.
I realize that many on here get defensive about alcohol, but is it worth risking the stumble? Why be vulnerable in this fallen world? Fact, Bible says it's not wise to drink. Also fact, Bible says being drunk is a sin. Why flirt with it?
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