Kylie's Pool Challenge

[DogmaHunter]

Because God is the Author of the Bible, not man.

No, humans wrote those texts.

 

[SkyWriting]

This house burned down:

Or your picture is actually a green screen.

Or a movie set
haunted house movie set for 2017

 

[SkyWriting]

People walked here:

You sure it was people? My camera suggests not.

 

[durangodawood]

...Let's say someone broke, and then a second person wrote down a statement claiming that he had not broken, but had simply placed the balls in this position....

I'm guessing the 2nd person has never seen a pool break and has no way to conceptualize that possibility.

And thats why he wrote the statement.

 

[Kylie]

I'm guessing the 2nd person has never seen a pool break and has no way to conceptualize that possibility.

And thats why he wrote the statement.

Based on what information?

 

[Kylie]

Because God is the Author of the Bible, not man.

How do you know?

 

[juvenissun]

From AV's Pool Challenge thread...

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Now, I looked at this and thought that the situation wasn't taking into account everything it should have. So I presented an alternative situation...

Let's say someone broke, and then a second person wrote down a statement claiming that he had not broken, but had simply placed the balls in this position. Later, a third person comes in, reads the documentation and concludes that the documentation MUST be right, and anyone who says the balls reached this position as a result of regular play is terribly wrong. The third person refuses to consider any alternative, and claims, "The documentation says it, that settles it!"

Is the third person right?

You may assume he is wrong and also ask a question: Who broke the balls?

 

[durangodawood]

Based on what information?

Based my presumption about the 2nd persons lack of knowledge or lack of imagination. Its a good explanation for the whole scenario.

 

[Kylie]

Based my presumption about the 2nd persons lack of knowledge or lack of imagination. Its a good explanation for the whole scenario.

Unfortunately, that conclusion is not supported because the documentation makes it clear that what we see on the table is entirely consistent with someone placing the balls there rather than breaking.

 

[Kylie]

You may assume he is wrong and also ask a question: Who broke the balls?

Not really relevant.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

I like what my pastor says:

Man isn't smart enough ... or wise enough ... to have written the Bible.

 

[Kylie]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

I like what my pastor says:

Man isn't smart enough ... or wise enough ... to have written the Bible.

So you believe the Bible because the Bible says it is true.

The documentation about the pool table also claims that it is true.

So again, I ask you why you believe one and not the other.

And don't try to claim that man couldn't have written the Bible. People of lots of religions say that about their holy book. There's nothing in the Bible that man couldn't have written.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you believe the Bible because the Bible says it is true.

The documentation about the pool table also claims that it is true.

So again, I ask you why you believe one and not the other.

And don't try to claim that man couldn't have written the Bible. People of lots of religions say that about their holy book. There's nothing in the Bible that man couldn't have written.

Have a nice day!

 

[Kylie]

Have a nice day!

It'd be a better day if you could answer my question. Why the double standard, AV? Why is it the third person is unjustified in accepting the documentation, but you are not unjustified in accepting the Bible?

 

[durangodawood]

Unfortunately, that conclusion is not supported because the documentation makes it clear that what we see on the table is entirely consistent with someone placing the balls there rather than breaking.

OK. I guess she's right then.

 

[Kylie]

OK. I guess she's right then.

You mean Person 3 is right to claim that the documentation is 100% correct, anyone who says the balls reached this position as a result of regular play is terribly wrong, and no other claims should even be considered?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Or your picture is actually a green screen.

Or a movie set
haunted house movie set for 2017

haha, whatever keeps you from admitting the obvious, ey?

I can see it before me now....
Your house burns down and then your insurance tells you "hey man, those ruins could just as well be a movie set - so we're not going to pay you".

You crack me up.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You sure it was people? My camera suggests not.

And it just continues.........

It's hard to take you seriously, when you respond with such nonsense.

 

[durangodawood]

You mean Person 3 is right to claim that the documentation is 100% correct, anyone who says the balls reached this position as a result of regular play is terribly wrong, and no other claims should even be considered?

Well clearly that wasnt my initial position, as I was putting myself in person 3's place and evaluating person 2's mindset.

But you said that position was wrong.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

This house burned down:

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People walked here:

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This car has crashed while driving:

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All these are "historical events". None requires faith.

To be fair, we can't be certain what historical events those pictures depict. All three could have been constructed deliberately to look like actual events that never really happened (e.g. movie sets). However, we can increase our certainty by seeking corroborative evidence and eliminating alternative explanations (e.g. the local newspaper has a report of the house burning, and there's no record of a movie being made there, etc.).