Knowing the "heart" (and mind maybe) of God...?

Colter said:

We agree. We are actually children of God. There is life in us and life isn’t mechanical. God doesn’t know all that we will choose, he doesn’t know the unknowable.

Take Lucifer for example, he chose rebellion.

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razzelflabben said:

I am not 100% sure I understand your meaning but here is mine. whereas God is FAther, Son, and Holy Ghost or Spirit depending on translation and each are separate they are also the same and one and cannot be separated. this is why I suggested in the above post that we may not understand what God does therefore cannot presume to be able to make a puzzle He cannot solve.

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faroukfarouk said:

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are clearly revealed at the end of Matthew 28 and in many other passages.

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razzelflabben said:

oh I love rabbit trails and encourage them most of the time but have also been in trouble for taking them sometimes so I try really hard to find a balance.

Okay, story about Romans 8:28 if we add a few verses in context I think we can apply it to the current direction about fear of the Lord "28 And we know that in all things God works for the good have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

It's about testifying to the world that we live in the truth of Jesus purpose for coming, a purpose that sets the prisoner free from both sin and death.

So...leap day of 1980 I was driving to an appointment. The location had changed and I was horrible (still am ) with directions. I got lost. Ended up at a railroad crossing. I stopped looked both ways and since I didn't hear or see anything I proceeded to cross the tracks. Just as I got on the tracks, I glanced to the left....you cannot even imagine how large a train is until you see it barreling down on you. The train hit my car where the drivers door (my door) and the front fender meet. The car was thrown off the tracks and when it stopped moving I climbed out of the car and walked up to the road.

A bit of detail before I tell you the miracle part. The car was not just totaled but the only thing that could be salvaged was one tire. There was no room in the drivers compartment for my legs and yet the only injuries I sustained was a gash over my left eye, a small cut on my left ear and some bruises. Which sounds like enough of a miracle when you consider that there was a fatal accident at the same crossing a week before and a week after mine but the real miracle came later.

the people from my church all told me to draw close to God that He allowed this to happen to draw me closer to Him but no matter what I did, I couldn't get any closer to Him through this accident. For years I prayed that God would show me what He wanted from me through this accident. Well, one year sometime later He gave me Romans 8:28 as a promise for the year. So I tried to set my heart and mind on believing that promise no matter what I saw or didn't see.

One afternoon while at work a co worker and I were talking about a situation she had. I told her that I didn't have the answers but I had to hold and claim the promise of Romans 8:28 all things work together for good to those who Love the Lord to those who are called by His name. (if we look at the rest of the passage it is about a calling unto righteousness which removes our fear of judgment when in His presence) Okay back to the story. The co worker asked me to work for her that night and I did, the next day she runs into work and said, "I have to talk to you." I wasn't sure I wanted to hear of more bad things that were happening in her life but knew that God put me there for some reason so we talked. That is when she told me that that night I worked for her, she had borrowed a car from a friend and driven to a railroad crossing. She told of sitting on the tracks and waiting. Of seeing the train coming down the tracks...then, she told that in that moment she remembered my words, the promise of God and drove off the tracks.

See, the miracle is in what God does in our lives and through our situations not in the lack of injury. Scripture tells us that we will see greater miracles than the healings of the disciples. John 14:12...those miracles are miracles of the heart, they are miracles that glorify God in a new and amazing way. This is how we can know the heart of God...His heart is the good of His people and their testimony to the world of who He is. I was never in real danger in that car because God had a plan, I just had to be willing to endure the discomfort for a season so that He could preform a true miracle

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faroukfarouk said:

3 glorious Persons, One God.

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Colter said:

I disagree with every answer.

God is good, he doesn’t have multiple personality disorder. God doesn’t have a good and evil nature. He is reliable and trust worthy.

God can’t create a circle that is a square. Your answer represents the worst answer to any question I have ever received on the internet. God isn’t a moron!

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razzelflabben said:

In context Christ is speaking about His transfiguration and the coming Holy Spirit that will dwell with us permanently (well permanently is a relative term since this earth is not permanent)

What more about it do you want to talk about, seems pretty clear in context to me.

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Didaskalos said:

Some years ago I wrote a book "The 'God is in Control of Everything' Myth" which addressed this as well as other issues where the "General Attributes of God" contradict the Jesus revelation of the Father.
Part of this teaching points out that just as Jesus emptied Himself of certain aspects of His divine ability so He could allow Himself to be subject to death... the Father released certain elements of His divine powers so that He could accomplish His goal of having a family. In part, this meant that He willingly released into His creation elements of His power and sovereignty. In order for creation and created things to be genuine creations... they had to possess the right to exist and to interact with other elements of creation, and do this independently. Of course God retains sovereignty over all things and can intervene into His creation. And the point here is to say that when God acts in His creation, it is in the form of an intervention. Otherwise, creation is independent and free running within the rules of nature that existed since creation. I called this a creation of the possible.
As to the General Attribute "omniscience," it appears in scripture that there are things going on where God appears to not be aware of. I suggest that God has the ability, at will, to limit His sight and knowledge of things in accordance with the before stated goal of achieving a family. I recall a chapter on the idea that God by force of will is able to not only not see what He chooses not to see... but He can also not remember things He chooses not to remember. Some of this is outrageous to those who choose to see and understand God through the lenses of the General Attributes of God, rather than through the revelation that Jesus showed us. Jesus came to show us the Father.. and I believe He succeeded!

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razzelflabben said:

many people use this passage to try to declare eternal security when in reality in context (everything in context) it is talking about Christ's declaration of deity...again, if you want to talk about a specific part let me know I'm just addressing the general or theme at this point.

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razzelflabben said:

As I understand scripture we cannot separate the "Godhead" in any real way other than what scripture already does...so for example, Christ was funny God and funny man...the Holy Spirit has a specific job of dwelling with man that does not mean they are different from the Godhead or from the Father only that we are told about these specific aspects of God's nature as we can understand.

So...yes and no...iow's in the OT YHWH, Jehovah, God is the same God but had a different role than we see today one aspect of the difference is how God spoke audible words to Adam for example. We do not see that today. We can know it is the same God but there are different purposes for each aspect of God we are told about.

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