Kim Davis

[GodB4S]

Hallelujah...Kim Davis was set free! Now, the judge needs to go to jail! Kim was arrested, without rights, or a chance to bail out...did not get judged by a jury...she was sentenced until she changed her mind but the judge changed that instead...Kim did not want a document of gay people being married because her name will be on that which she did not believe in...she believes in God and his definition of marriage and she stood on what she believed...she was elected so she could not be fired...Kentucky also voted for one man, one woman marriage into their constitution as we did here in Florida and they did in California but a judge took away what the majority wanted and changed the law...they have not that power, the power of the congress of making law, they are suppose to rule on the law not scrap it or change it...the judge is unlawful and needs to go to jail....As for the gay marriage being right is foolish. If gay marriage is right then what about bi getting married then? You will need at least 4 people to marry if bi marriage became legal. Then the Mormons right could have a 1000 wives if the bi can have more than one wife and one husband. Then the wife could have 1000 husbands to make it right and those husbands could have 1000 wives and the holy marriage will not be needed for then you can sleep with anyone for the whole world would be married...gay marriage opens up a can of worms...what if the son loves his mother or the father loves his daughter or someone loves their dog or what about the ones that love the children? One man and one woman is common sense!

 

[HonestTruth]

indeed He would, right there with the left for fighting for things that are Antichrist while calling it Christian. can we take the politics somewhere else please?

this is a political issue - therefore we need not take it anywhere else

 

[harkpuff]

Persecution comes in many forms.

 

[rusmeister]

Where is the mod with the power to move this to St Justin's?

 

[Jutta2]

Jesus condemned the Pharisees (religious hypocrites) more than anyone else. If he was here today, he would condemn the actions of the right wing television evangelist types and the politicians who hide themselves in their cloaks of ''moral'' self righteousness.

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Jutta2]

Hallelujah...Kim Davis was set free! Now, the judge needs to go to jail! Kim was arrested, without rights, or a chance to bail out...did not get judged by a jury...she was sentenced until she changed her mind but the judge changed that instead...

Why should the judge to jail. He acted according to the law. Whether I was employed by the State, or was elected by the people; I am under the law. I am not above the law. And the SC has ruled that gays are allowed to marry. And as government employees she must do what the law requires of it. They wanted not only that this gay couple does not marry, she also wanted that others do not make possible. Ms. Davis says so emblematic: "To hell with the law, I do what the Bible says." Only the US has the separation of church and state. In her church homosexuals may still harassed, and are denied the right, but not the state. Since secular law applies!

Kim did not want a document of gay people being married because her name will be on that which she did not believe in...she believes in God and his definition of marriage and she stood on what she believed...

She was elected by the people, to do the will of the people. Not the will of their pastor, not the will of God, not her own will, but the Law. And the law says that gays are allowed to marry. One can be for or against it, but, as Abraham Lincoln said, mutatis mutandis, as long as a law is in force, it must be obeyed.

she was elected so she could not be fired...

But they can be entrusted with other tasks. For example, the issuing of birth certificates, death certificates, or certificates of another kind.

Kentucky also voted for one man, one woman marriage into their constitution as we did here in Florida and they did in California but a judge took away what the majority wanted and changed the law.

It is not so long ago in the US, that multiracial marriages were prohibited. In my church someone as "contaminated" who even had a drop of African blood in his veins (until 1978).
Attitudes are changing. Opinions change. And laws must respond.

 

[Jutta2]

Persecution comes in many forms.

Unfortunately, only too true. Especially in religious areas that is seen over and over again.

 

[gods10rules]

Acts 5:29 states we must obey God rather than man. She is indeed being persecuted for her faith.

 

[Jutta2]

Acts 5:29 states we must obey God rather than man. She is indeed being persecuted for her faith.

In your country, like in other western countries, there is a seperation between religion and state. even you founding fathers wants it. I quote:

“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

“We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814

All quotes and many more can be found here.

 

[dzheremi]

I realize this is especially odd coming from an Oriental Orthodox visitor, but why on earth are a Mormon and a Calvary-Chapel person (I don't even know what that is) arguing about separation of church and state in a thread that was supposed to be about the pitfalls Eastern Orthodox support for a newly-minted Evangelical Christian of some type?

This has probably moved beyond St. Justin's into some strange netherworld where Protestants can debate each other (not even Eastern Orthodox people) about tangential matters on Eastern Orthodox grounds. Look...I know you guys don't believe in purgatory, but if there was ever evidence for it...

 

[Jutta2]

Isn't this tread about Kim Davies, the women who come to jail, because she don't want to sign a marrage license for a gay couple? Some here a glad that she is set free, and in my oppinion, it was correct to send her in jail. Because she had to be obey the state rules.

oh, BTW., it depends, what you believe, is a purgatory. To me, it is NOT a place, it is deep inside the human being.

 

[GregConstantine]

"
I realize this is especially odd coming from an Oriental Orthodox visitor, but why on earth are a Mormon and a Calvary-Chapel person (I don't even know what that is) arguing about separation of church and state in a thread that was supposed to be about the pitfalls Eastern Orthodox support for a newly-minted Evangelical Christian of some type?"

Because people do not read.

 

[jckstraw72]

"
I realize this is especially odd coming from an Oriental Orthodox visitor, but why on earth are a Mormon and a Calvary-Chapel person (I don't even know what that is) arguing about separation of church and state in a thread that was supposed to be about the pitfalls Eastern Orthodox support for a newly-minted Evangelical Christian of some type?"

Because people do not read.

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[ArmyMatt]

this is a political issue - therefore we need not take it anywhere else

in an Orthodox thread that has nothing to do with Republican hypocrisy. there is a forum for politics on here, take the talking points there

 

[GregConstantine]

This is not about a political issue, my original tread is about Orthodox people rushing to claim this woman as a martyr, and why I thought that was wrong.

It could be about whether or not to plant pink or white roses in the town square. The political nature of the Kim Davis situation is beside the point.

People, please, if you are going to participate in a discussion forum, is it too much to ask to actually read the tread before posting?

 

[jckstraw72]

if i only had a dollar ...

 

[jckstraw72]

People, please, if you are going to participate in a discussion forum, is it too much to ask to actually read the tread before posting?

did you read before posting? for shame!

 

[GregConstantine]

"Isn't this tread about Kim Davies, the women who come to jail, because she don't want to sign a marrage license for a gay couple?"

Nope, read the original post very carefully again.

 

[St Herman's Ghost]

Unless they are a dead Christian lying in Syria or the Levant lets refrain from using the word "martyr," to describe American moonbats. This is like saying every cashier who says "Merry Christmas," is a literal freedom fighter for Christ. This is bourgeois decadence, really.

She was found in contempt, did 5 days in county probably in PC to be released to continue to not do her job. This is in no way sounds like a hero at all, more it sounds like some of my spring breaks when I first started college lol like come on, raise the bar.

 

[HonestTruth]

Acts 5:29 states we must obey God rather than man. She is indeed being persecuted for her faith.

if that is true, then those Christian pacifists who refused to fight in Vietnam or in other wars were correct as well --- too bad certain right wing religionists called them commies and questioned their patriotism