Kerry Promotes Expanded Stem Cell Research

[Ave Maria]

John Kerry on Monday accused President Bush of restricting potentially lifesaving stem cell research because of "extreme right-wing ideology" and underscored his own strong support for research that polls show has widespread backing.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=18&u=/ap/kerry

 

[Nathan Poe]

Sounds like a good idea. Who knows how many diseases we could cure through this research?

 

[Burning Bush]

Just imagine treatments for HIV, getting stable cell lines of immune cells and you could inject people with them, thus eliminating the need for AIDS drugs, and would keep people alive while they work to find a cure for the virus, it would be great.

 

[Ave Maria]

Sounds like a good idea. Who knows how many diseases we could cure through this research?

I so agree Nathan Poe. Stem cell research has such potential to discover cures/treatments for so many diseases. I see this as just another reason to vote for Kerry.

 

[Ampmonster]

nazis made great medical strides when they had nothing holding them back, too.

adult stem cells work just as good as baby ones. theres just too good of an industry for baby murdering.
i thought libs were supposed to oppose short cuts by big business

 

[Firscherscherling]

nazis made great medical strides when they had nothing holding them back, too.

adult stem cells work just as good as baby ones. theres just too good of an industry for baby murdering.
i thought libs were supposed to oppose short cuts by big business

Let me see if I understand your point. Is it, "Ampmonster doesn't know where embryonic stem cells come from."

Or is it, "Ampmonster is against invetro fertilization."

I'm not sure.

 

[Ave Maria]

nazis made great medical strides when they had nothing holding them back, too.

adult stem cells work just as good as baby ones. theres just too good of an industry for baby murdering.
i thought libs were supposed to oppose short cuts by big business

Why is it that for some people, when someone disagrees with someone, the opposing view gets compared to Nazis?

 

[Ampmonster]

i compared the practice of killing for medical advancement to the nazis. which is whaqt they did

you wouldnt know this by todays history books though

 

[Ampmonster]

fisch, the fact is is adult stem cell are better for research than embrionic. there just harder to get.

 

[Ave Maria]

i compared the practice of killing for medical advancement to the nazis. which is whaqt they did

you wouldnt know this by todays history books though

But these embryos are only days or a week or two old. They don't feel pain and they're basically just a bunch of cells clumped together. You can't compare that to the Nazis. Those were live human beings that do feel pain and do have emotions!

 

[BlessedMan]

fisch, the fact is is adult stem cell are better for research than embrionic. there just harder to get.

Actually the fact is that we don't know what this research is going to yield. Scientists "think" and "believe" that this is going to help, but we just don't know which is a good reason to procede slowly. I have this vibe that people feel like we're holding back the cures to cancer, aids, and other diseases because of legislation. That's a HUGE assumption.

 

[Ampmonster]

But these embryos are only days or a week or two old. They don't feel pain and they're basically just a bunch of cells clumped together. You can't compare that to the Nazis. Those were live human beings that do feel pain and do have emotions!

your right there not the same, but they're still alive.

our definitions of life are different. thats all

 

[kermit]

nazis made great medical strides when they had nothing holding them back, too.

adult stem cells work just as good as baby ones. theres just too good of an industry for baby murdering.
i thought libs were supposed to oppose short cuts by big business

Embryonic stem cells do not come from killing embryos. They are the product of invetro fertilization.

Lets say that you and your wife (supposing you're married) are unable to have children naturally. You opt for some medical help. You both donate your "contribution". The eggs are fertilized outside her body. They don't just try one egg and see what happens. They try many at once. You might have 4-5, if not more, fertilized embryos. Only one will be implanted. What happens to the others? The options are the garbage or medical research such as stem cell research.

 

[Firscherscherling]

Embryonic stem cells do not come from killing embryos. They are the product of invetro fertilization.

Lets say that you and your wife (supposing you're married) are unable to have children naturally. You opt for some medical help. You both donate your "contribution". The eggs are fertilized outside her body. They don't just try one egg and see what happens. They try many at once. You might have 4-5, if not more, fertilized embryos. Only one will be implanted. What happens to the others? The options are the garbage or medical research such as stem cell research.

Yes. This was the root of my earlier confusion. Is it a lack of undesrtanding of where the cells come from, or an opposition to invetro. That still hasn't been answered.

 

[Ave Maria]

your right there not the same, but they're still alive.

our definitions of life are different. thats all

I never said they're not life. They are definitely alive. The difference is that embryos are not persons. A person feels pain and has emotions. Embryos don't.

Embryonic stem cells do not come from killing embryos. They are the product of invetro fertilization.

Lets say that you and your wife (supposing you're married) are unable to have children naturally. You opt for some medical help. You both donate your "contribution". The eggs are fertilized outside her body. They don't just try one egg and see what happens. They try many at once. You might have 4-5, if not more, fertilized embryos. Only one will be implanted. What happens to the others? The options are the garbage or medical research such as stem cell research.

Exactly kermit! The embryos are often gotten from invitro fertilizations techniques. This results in extra embryos. I don't know what they do with the extra embryos but I'd be willing to guess that they are simply discarded. Wouldn't it be better to put them to use for research rather than simply discarding them?

 

[_Orion]

Embryos can also be frozen for future transfer as well...

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

your right there not the same, but they're still alive.

our definitions of life are different. thats all

Definition of life? Hmmm. Do you eat meat? Did you ever dissect a frog or worm or something like that in school? Ever step on an ant?

Life is a beautiful thing... in any form. Do a bunch of cows really have any more choice in their fate than the Jewish victims of the Nazis? Was their lives any more valid?

I don't know how I feel about the stem cell research. I would want to see some results before I whole heartedly support it. But, life is life. If you're willing to eat a cow, that has feelings of pain, does your arguement of life really hold any validity?


Note: I am not a member of PETA and I do believe in the food chain.

 

[Ave Maria]

Embryos can also be frozen for future transfer as well...

But this would only be satisfactory if it was the same couple who wanted the future transfer. Maybe it would also be satisfactory if some future couple didn't care that they were getting the embryo from a different couple but I'd be willing to bet that most of them would want to have their own child. Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't invitro fertilization simply involve taking the sperm and the egg from each partner and then implanting it into the woman's womb?

 

[Firscherscherling]

Can someone help me with something else I can't figure out?

How can the Bush administration be against embryonic stem cell research, but be for invetro fertilization? Isn't this contradictory? Shouldn't there be a major push for banning invetro? I mean, if it is about saving the souls of babies...

What am I missing?

 

[Burning Bush]

nazis made great medical strides when they had nothing holding them back, too.

adult stem cells work just as good as baby ones. theres just too good of an industry for baby murdering.
i thought libs were supposed to oppose short cuts by big business

Nope. Wrong, adult stem cells are not just as good as embryonic stem cells. That is scientifically false.