Kerry on 2nd amendment

[Firscherscherling]

All of the steps that you mentioned do not affect criminals. Criminals do not register weapons, take gun safety classes, obey waiting periods, comply with background checks, or use safety devices.

Criminals will obtain weapons for mayhem no matter what law is on the book. The only people who are punished by such laws are those who would be victims of the criminals.

Gun Control disarms victims of criminals, and makes the criminal's job that much easier.

I disagree. The regs can affect criminals. And gun controls do not negatively affect law abiding citizens. As I said, they can still own guns, they are just regulated.

Your argument is clear: Since criminals can get gusn anyway, there should be no controls at all.

This is patently absurd. Kind of like saying bad drivers will drive badly anyway, so having traffic laws penalizes only the good drivers.

 

[Firscherscherling]

Shall we draw the line at explosives?

Exlposives don't kill people. People kill people. Besides, criminlas will use explosives anyway, so banning them only penalozes us law abiding citizens.

 

[Stat101]

Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry can make a bomb out of common cleaning supplies. Maybe we should ban chemistry?

Forty percent of the guns used in crimes are bought off the streets, no yellow forms to fill out. Twenty thousand laws on the books, what will one more accomplish. I’m a gun owner and a Christian. My idea of gun control, pay attention to the front sight and squeeze ( not pull ) the trigger.
Oh, what do I think of John Kerry’s view of the 2nd amendment. He’s like the all the elites, they think the rest of us are a bunch of idiots. We will protect you, you don’t need any guns.

 

[Tachocline]

He’s like the all the elites, they think the rest of us are a bunch of idiots.

There is a reason for that thinking. The general public often show they are a bunch of idiots.

 

[bookman60]

Lets do away with the 2nd amendment and then what will happen when a president gets in that wants to do away with your religion because it is not right to a certain group and the part in the constitution does not apply any more so they will take that out. And while they are at it you do not have the right to know what is going on so lets stop news broadcast and print except what they want you to hear then what is to be done?

And of course we wont be able to protest anymore because to some that would be
Enticing a riot. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to your religion and to free speech [font=&quot]With out it we have nothing…[/font]

 

[Tachocline]

The 2nd amendment gives you the right to your religion and to free speech [font=&quot]With out it we have nothing…[/font]

Can you shout out red herring any louder? Heck it's a red mackerel, bigger and stinkier than a herring.

 

[Stat101]

Lets see what the founding father's though about guns.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1776

"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~Samuel Adams, 1788

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves."
~William Pitt, 1783
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe."
~Noah Webster, 1787
"What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
~George Mason, 1788

 

[Tachocline]

Hey 225 year old quotes, talk about relevance. I have no problem with Americans being armed as long as they realise it is also a big contributor as to why Americans kill large numbers of their own citizens every year in complete contrast to the other industrialised nations of the world.

It's like Americas record on other issues such as racial segregation, slavery, health care & franchising women America lagged behind the rest of the world. The trouble is they are loathe to accept these facts.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Exlposives don't kill people. People kill people. Besides, criminlas will use explosives anyway, so banning them only penalozes us law abiding citizens.

I don't see a whole lot of criminals running around the streets of LA with RPGs. I do, however, see a lot of them running around with illegal firearms.

 

[Stat101]

Some interesting historical facts.

During the 20th century, over 100 million civilians were killed by their own governments, more than in all 20th century wars combined. In each case, extermination followed gun confiscation.

• 1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, 40-60 million “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1935: China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million Chinese “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Catholics, Gypsies and others, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated in Nazi controlled Europe.
• 1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1966-1976: China still had gun control. Millions of more “class enemies,” still unable to defend themselves, were exterminated in Mao's "Cultural Revolution".
• 1990s: Rwanda established gun control. In 100 days in 1994, over 800,000 Tutsis, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated by machete-wielding Hutus backed by armed government militias.

 

[Stat101]

Doctors kill 200,000 a year by making medical mistakes, we should ban doctors.

The bible was written almost 2000 yeas ago, I guess it's too old now.

 

[Tachocline]

Some interesting historical facts.

During the 20th century, over 100 million civilians were killed by their own governments, more than in all 20th century wars combined. In each case, extermination followed gun confiscation.

• 1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, 40-60 million “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1935: China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million Chinese “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Catholics, Gypsies and others, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated in Nazi controlled Europe.
• 1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million “class enemies,” unable to defend themselves, were exterminated.
• 1966-1976: China still had gun control. Millions of more “class enemies,” still unable to defend themselves, were exterminated in Mao's "Cultural Revolution".
• 1990s: Rwanda established gun control. In 100 days in 1994, over 800,000 Tutsis, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated by machete-wielding Hutus backed by armed government militias.

And a handgun in those homes would not have stopped any single one of those events. I think an SS Panzer regiment wouldn't have had too many problems with a few Jews with handguns or some rednecks in Arkansas for that matter either.


Just live with the fact that your armed but to keep that privilige you are a nation with a shoddy murder rate and a callous disregard for your fellow citizens.

 

[Stat101]

Shoddy???????

 

[Tachocline]

Doctors kill 200,000 a year by making medical mistakes, we should ban doctors.

But guns are made to kill people, period. A gun has never protected anyone in the history of their existence. A Doberman maybe has, a gun has not. A doctors purpose is not supposed to be harmful by default.

The bible was written almost 2000 yeas ago, I guess it's too old now.

Well if you take it literally , yes.

 

[Tachocline]

Shoddy???????

I meant shameful, I cannot believe I typed shoddy because the US murder rate is excellent if by that you mean ridiculously high.

 

[Stat101]

So cops with guns and the military don't protect us?

 

[Tachocline]

So cops with guns and the military don't protect us?

I didn't say that. But the average gun owner private citizen probably can't be trusted with a pea shooter never mind a lethal firearm. Look at the stats. Most private gun owners in the States have never had either military training, police training or any civil firearms courses. Incompetents in charge of lethal weapons. Look at all the firearm accidents in the States.

 

[Tachocline]

I lived for a while in rural Missouri and at night you would hear these drunken fools out in the boonies with their shotguns and rifles supposedly hunting. They were a danger to themselves and others more than wild turkey and deer.

 

[Stat101]

I have not had any formal training with guns, yet I have never injured myself with a gun. I read a news article where a cop blew his brains out with a shotgun while taking it out of his squad car.

 

[Stat101]

Booze and guns don't mix