Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and The Young Earth.

[AV1611VET]

Depends on who gets taken really, doesn't it? We'll both be in for a surprise if it's the Catholics who disappear.

Yikes! We'll be running for Extreme Unction!

 

[Obliquinaut]

I would suspect a specimen collection program conducted by aliens, with full knowledge of our cultural tropes.

Well that would just be bad sampling protocol! If the aliens wanted a broader sample they wouldn't focus solely on the Christian sects that believe in the Rapture.

I would then have to question the advanced intelligence of such a race if they selectively sample. I would most CERTAINLY not trust their white-coated lab denizens with their space clipboards. Pshaw!

 

[Obliquinaut]

Depends on who gets taken really, doesn't it? We'll both be in for a surprise if it's the Catholics who disappear.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm curious as to how Christians in general feel about young earth creationism and groups like Answers in Genesis. I know their views are among the minority of Christian thought but I don't know how they're regarded by mainstream Christians. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the idea of a young earth creation and of the proponents of that view.

I just go with a generalized BioLogos orientation to it all.......... There, done.

 

[Hieronymus]

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[Tayla]

I'm curious as to how Christians in general feel about young earth creationism and groups like Answers in Genesis. I know their views are among the minority of Christian thought but I don't know how they're regarded by mainstream Christians. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the idea of a young earth creation and of the proponents of that view.

I used to accept some sort of old earth view, like Hugh Ross. But in studying evolution and quantum mechanics and biochemistry, I realized there was no mechanism available for an intelligent designer (God) to interact and inject information leading to "happy" mutations and gene copy errors. Since I know randomness did not cause all this, I have no choice but to embrace young earth creationism.

 

[Strathos]

I used to accept some sort of old earth view, like Hugh Ross. But in studying evolution and quantum mechanics and biochemistry, I realized there was no mechanism available for an intelligent designer (God) to interact and inject information leading to "happy" mutations and gene copy errors. Since I know randomness did not cause all this, I have no choice but to embrace young earth creationism.

I think this is a false dichotomy. God has methods that we don't understand. You could just as easily say that human beings having free will means that God never interacts to cause happy moments on a personal level.

 

[Halbhh]

I used to accept some sort of old earth view, like Hugh Ross. But in studying evolution and quantum mechanics and biochemistry, I realized there was no mechanism available for an intelligent designer (God) to interact and inject information leading to "happy" mutations and gene copy errors. Since I know randomness did not cause all this, I have no choice but to embrace young earth creationism.

The designer of our physics isn't controlled/ limited by it.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Strathos, post: 71893064, member: 320753"]You'll find a dichotomy of opinions here. Personally I find such people to be hacks who give Christianity a bad reputation. The Bible never actually says how old earth and the universe are.

That IS a lie. If you go through the Bible and add up the dates, it is not that hard to do, you will get a date of about 4,000 B.C. for the creation. So, according to the Bible the earth is about 6,000 years old.
"If you take the bible for what it is and add nothing to it you will get only thousands of years for the history of the earth and death after sin."

The Biblical Age of the Earth

 

[Strathos]

Having to add up lifespans means that it is not directly stated, especially since there are several gaps where it is unclear how much time passes.

 

[USincognito]

That IS a lie. If you go through the Bible and add up the dates, it is not that hard to do, you will get a date of about 4,000 B.C. for the creation. So, according to the Bible the earth is about 6,000 years old.
"If you take the bible for what it is and add nothing to it you will get only thousands of years for the history of the earth and death after sin."

The Biblical Age of the Earth

Actually that's according to a particular interpretation of a literal reading of Genesis. The text text itself never gives a precise date however. Plus we don't date the earth by a literal reading of Genesis. We use actual science to do that.

 

[morse86]

Actually that's according to a particular interpretation of a literal reading of Genesis. The text text itself never gives a precise date however. Plus we don't date the earth by a literal reading of Genesis. We use actual science to do that.

Actually we don't use science to date the earth, we use $$$cience with a lot of assumptions. Radiometric dating with a lot of guess work is not science.

 

[Jimmy D]

Actually we don't use science to date the earth, we use $$$cience with a lot of assumptions. Radiometric dating with a lot of guess work is not science.

LOL, $$$cience!

 

[Ophiolite]

LOL, $$$cience!

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[ViaCrucis]

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-CryptoLutheran

 

[klutedavid]

I'm curious as to how Christians in general feel about young earth creationism and groups like Answers in Genesis. I know their views are among the minority of Christian thought but I don't know how they're regarded by mainstream Christians. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the idea of a young earth creation and of the proponents of that view.

Seems to be a distraction from the primary doctrine of the revelation of the scripture (Jesus). Who cares how old the earth is?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Radiometric dating with a lot of guess work is not science.

That is a "guess work" lie because radiometric dating is a fairly easily understood scientific technique with some complex details and no "guess work". The closest radiometric dating might get is estimates of migration of parent nuclides or the daughter products within the material. The age of the Earth is "approximately 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years" based on dating of meteorites and the oldest terrestrial material we have found, plus lunar samples.

Radiometric dating is not the only dating technique. An old Earth was accepted 2 centuries ago when geologists realized that rocks took long times to form. For example, consider the hundred meter high White Cliffs of Dover made of dead sea animals.

To show that the Earth is not a few thousand years old all we have to do is count! 1 ice core layer. 2 ice core layers. 3 ice core layers .... 700,000 ice core layers. Each layer is dust laid down annually so we have 700,000 years of ice core layers. Visual counting though has its limits: "For example, at Vostok, layer counting is only possible down to an age of 55,000 years". Ditto for varves. Ditto but more complex for tree rings which are also used to calibrate radiocarbon dating.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

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Nice one! Mind if I take a copy for possible future use?

 

[bhsmte]

Seems to be a distraction from the primary doctrine of the revelation of the scripture (Jesus). Who cares how old the earth is?

Likely, folks who have a personal faith belief, that need to believe it is young.

 

[Brightmoon]

I basically ignore anything in the Bible that describes natural phenomena as it’s usually dead wrong . The earth was known to be very old from a basic understanding of geological layering and how those layers were formed. Evolution can be observed and there’s no reason that this didn’t occur in the past. The earth isn’t flat etc etc. IMHO, YEC drives scientifically literate people away from God