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The health and wealth gospel is scorned in most biblically sound, theological circles, and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.
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The health and wealth gospel is scorned in most biblically sound, theological circles, and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.But this you are creating out of thin air. The verse you quoted does not say that God makes some of mans mouths, some of the mute, some of the deaf, some of the seeing, and some of the blind, in order to teach them a lesson. From your quote:
Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
So now you are adding your own words to this and saying it means He only makes some of mans mouths, some of the mute, some of the deaf, some of the seeing, and some of the blind. Those ones that God made, Jesus couldn't heal, because God made them. But the mouths, the mute, the deaf, the seeing and the blind that satan made, Jesus could heal?
First of all, satan cannot create anything. Second of all, the obvious inference, because He included the making of mans mouth, and the seeing, is that this is an all inclusive statement, refering to all mens mouths, all the mute, all the deaf, all the seeing, and all the blind.
You are reading all kinds of things into this verse that it doesn't say. You are reading into it what you want it to say, and ignoring what it actually does say. Then combining that verse with your added baggage and creating a theology out of it. It doesn't work.
Peace...
...and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.
One would tend to react to a juvenile doctrine by giggling. If it were an adult doctrine, then there would be no giggling, mull that over, and be blessed, tee hee. SH.Hee hee. Giggling at people is such a sign of maturity.
It has all the maturity of High School cliques...
One would tend to react to a juvenile doctrine by giggling. If it were an adult doctrine, then there would be no giggling, mull that over, and be blessed, tee hee. SH.
The health and wealth gospel is scorned in most biblically sound, theological circles, and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.
I guess that some of the responses to your statement may have a point but as you were writing from a female perspective then maybe we can be somewhat forgiving of your choice of wording.The health and wealth gospel is scorned in most biblically sound, theological circles, and actually when the the Hagin name comes up, alot of giggling is to be found. SH.
Gee, aren't we blessed, no scandal, my oh my, thank God! Total joy.The fact that you chose to insult a man of God with a sixty year track record of ministry with no scandal, rather than answer the theological question put to you, speaks volumes; which by the way, betrays the utter and complete bankruptcy of your statement.
Peace...
Hopefully we now see why it is a juvenile doctrine, if we just read this post, in an open minded, non defensive posture. SH.
What's so hard to understand? The poverty strickened Macedonians did not know "they can have whatever they say", and David was wrong, to make a negative confession, he should have just "spoken to it". In Psalm 55, he even wished he could flee it, the trouble, but could not. What an awful confession, as he confessed that he was in a prison in 142. Silly David blew it! SH.
Considering both statements have made it into scripture, why can't we just accept that BOTH are right? God did it -- AND -- God allowed Satan to do it!
I see the relationship between God and Satan as complicated. We don't have all the details about how they interact. Just like we don't fully understand the Trinity. How can God be both One and Three? But on a practical level things work out fine for us. Some people have deep-rooted daddy issues, and cannot accept God as a father figure. So they see themselves as His bride and Jesus as the groom. For me though, that kind of relationship sounds gay (literally), and my relationship with God is as a Father to son.
Who is correct? Thankfully, both are! The same goes for other complicated biblical doctrines too, IMHO. If someone cannot bear the thought of God breaking someone's arm, then they are free to see it as an act of satan. But for me that sounds like God has lost control and Satan rules, so it is comforting to know that He is in control of everything satan does to me. Both points of view are correct, when taken from the right perspective.
We run into troubles when we try to force our personal preferences (of these fluid doctrines) onto other people. We may rob someone of a close relationship with the Father because we think everyone should be espoused to Jesus, if that is our personal experience. But the Bible gives us options. And we can see we are missing the spiritual truth behind the doctrine when our interpretation completely contradicts certain other scriptures and other people's doctrines built off of them!
Thank you all for your replies. The best thing I can say is this. I guess the poverty strickened Macedonian churches, along with the poor Jerusalem church, never quite grasped the prosperity doctrine. I guess, as Hagin teaches, they didn't know "they can have whatever they say".
Oh, and we need to rip out all the "negative confessions" out of the Psalms, as David confessed his aflictions, and poured out his complaint, while not pretending those things that were there, were not real.
. SH.
Regardless, keep in mind that it is the so called "Health and Wealth Gospel" that is evangelizing the world. Christianity is the fastest growing of the world religions, and the WOF brand of Christianity is the fastest growing of the Christian groups. This makes WOF arguably the fastest growing of all major religious movements in the world. WOF IS Christianity in much of the third world today. As I have stated before, only here in the West where we allready have all of our needs met, do people scoff at the promises of God. The rest of the world is not in our position, and needs to believe the promises of God simply to survive.
Peace...
Regardless, keep in mind that it is the so called "Health and Wealth Gospel" that is evangelizing the world. Christianity is the fastest growing of the world religions, and the WOF brand of Christianity is the fastest growing of the Christian groups. This makes WOF arguably the fastest growing of all major religious movements in the world. WOF IS Christianity in much of the third world today. As I have stated before, only here in the West where we allready have all of our needs met, do people scoff at the promises of God. The rest of the world is not in our position, and needs to believe the promises of God simply to survive.
Peace...
Why is it that the leaders of a certain faith movement, present this magical "you can have whatever you say" kind of thing, in a hyperspiritual mode, but suddenly, go into the natural, and demand tithe, and "faith seeds" to their ministry, all while tithing is old cov, and the faith seeds of 2 Corinthians 8-9, were not for Paul's ministry, 2 Cor 8:4, 9:1, 9;12, for the poor saints of Jerusalem, the poor people?Regardless, keep in mind that it is the so called "Health and Wealth Gospel" that is evangelizing the world. Christianity is the fastest growing of the world religions, and the WOF brand of Christianity is the fastest growing of the Christian groups. This makes WOF arguably the fastest growing of all major religious movements in the world. WOF IS Christianity in much of the third world today. As I have stated before, only here in the West where we allready have all of our needs met, do people scoff at the promises of God. The rest of the world is not in our position, and needs to believe the promises of God simply to survive.
Peace...
Why is it that the leaders of a certain faith movement, present this magical "you can have whatever you say" kind of thing, in a hyperspiritual mode, but suddenly, go into the natural, and demand tithe, and "faith seeds" to their ministry, all while tithing is old cov, and the faith seeds of 2 Corinthians 8-9, were not for Paul's ministry, 2 Cor 8:4, 9:1, 9;12, for the poor saints of Jerusalem, the poor people?
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