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Paul emphasizes the idea you could not stand justified before God with the Old Law. You could be right or righteous before the Lord by doing right before the Lord.
Right, righteous = guiltless, and that is based on law-keeping (the Law), which no one can do so as never to incur any guilt; therefore,
"no one is righteous, not even one," (Ro 3:10), for
"God has bound all men over to disobedience" (Ro 11:32), and
the whole world is a prisoner of sin" (Gal 3:22).
According to the revelation Paul received from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven,
where he heard things man is not permitted to tell
(2Co 12:1-5),
the penalty for our sin must be paid,
which Jesus has done on the cross, and
to all those who believe and trust in Jesus for the remission of their sin, God applies Jesus' payment to their sin, whereby
God the Judge declares them "not guilty,"
which places them in right standing before, as well as a right relationship with God, which is justification.

The word "justification" in the Greek means to be declared "not guilty, fine paid."
"Right, righteous" means to be "not guilty" before the Law on any count.
Righteousness and justification are the same thing in the NT.
 
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Did God write that dictionary?
No, God chose that dictionary.

Words have meanings, and God used the words of the language (Greek) whose definitions are in that dictionary.
 
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In baptism we die with Christ not faith alone!
And none of your verses every imply “faith alone” faith yes faith and baptism yes

If anyone says you are justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema
 
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In baptism we die with Christ not faith alone!
And none of your verses every imply “faith alone” faith yes faith and baptism yes

If anyone says you are justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema
Dying with Christ and rising to new life is signified, but not procured in the waters of baptism. A symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality. Man is justified by faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone. (Romans 5:1) You can believe God’s word or whatever your church teaches you. The choice is your’s. As for me my faith trusts in Christ alone for salvation.
 
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In baptism we die with Christ not faith alone!
And none of your verses every imply “faith alone” faith yes faith and baptism yes

If anyone says you are justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema
You're writing Scripture now, as in Gal 1:9?

For Paul, there are only two considerations:

1) faith + works, and
2) faith apart from works, which is "faith alone."

Ac 13:38 (Paul) - Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Ro 1:17 - For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith' " (Hab 2:4)

Ro 3:21-22 - But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known. . .This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ.

Ro 3:28 - We maintain that a man is justified (declared righteous) by faith apart from observing the law.

Ro 4:5 - However, to the man who does not work, but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Ro 6:14
- you are not under law, but under grace.

Gal 2:16 - know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:10
- All you rely on observing the law are under a curse.

Gal 3:11-12 - Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because 'The righteous will live by faith,' and the law is not based on faith. On the contrary, the man who does these things will live by them." (Lev 18:5)

Eph 2:9 - you have been saved, through faith. . .not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
freed from sun by faith and baptism
Faith and baptism chapters go together
Never by faith alone
 
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Never teaches faith alone!
Mk 16:16
1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

Baptismal regeneration
New creation in Christ
Born again by water AND the spirit
 
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Never teaches faith alone!
Mk 16:16
1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

Baptismal regeneration
New creation in Christ
Born again by water AND the spirit
You didn't address Paul's teaching above, which he received from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5).
 
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22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
freed from sun by faith and baptism
Faith and baptism chapters go together
Never by faith alone
There is no mention of baptism in Romans 6:22. In context, we see there is a contrast between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness.

When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation (faith alone) believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not water baptism or other works) is accounted for righteousness.
 
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You believe different from me. I believe Christs blood actually Justifies them He died for Rom 5:9 and then God will give the Justified one the Gift of Faith to know it Rom 5:1
 
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Baptism was taught and modeled by Jesus. The reason the ancient church in the east and west, and many Protestants as well, insist on its importance in justification is simply because Jesus modeled it, and then commanded it along with faith in Him. The practice didn’t arise arbitrarily or in a vacuum.

Baptism is known as “the sacrament of faith”, because it’s the first, formal, public profession of faith and obedience of Gods will. By it the believer physically acts out and experiences a spiritual reality, the change or transformation by death rising to new life, and cleansing of sin.
He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit Titus 3:5
 
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I think it corresponds to circumcision (Col 2:11-12)--which was likewise required--as a sign to the ministering spirits (Heb 1:14),
the angels (1Co 11:10; Eph 3:10; 1Ti 5:21) that one is in the New Covenant people of God.
 
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You didn't address Paul's teaching above, which he received from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5).

Apart from the mosaic law yes of course but never faith alone apart from the church and the sacraments instituted by Christ


Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13
Not faith alone
Or outside the church

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10
 
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Apart from the mosaic law yes of course
No, in the context of Ro 1:18-3:20, where most of those Scriptures (post #85) are located, works are not just the Mosaic law.
Works are performance, whether according to the Mosaic Law, by which God judged the Jews unrighteous (2:1-3:8), or
according to conscience, by which God judged the Gentiles to be unrighteous (1:18-32),
and thereby declared all mankind unrighteous,--"no one is righteous, not even one" (Ro 3:10, 23, 5:12, 18) all are locked-up in sin (Ro 3:9, 11:32; Gal 3:22).

All law-keeping is excluded from having anything to do with the righteousness of justification; i.e., being declared by God to be "not guilty,"
which saves you from God's wrath on sin at the Judgment (Ro 5:9; 1Th 1:10).

Now, in light of Ro 1:18-3:20, go back (post #85) and review again what Paul reveals from the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5)
regarding works and the righteousness of justification; i.e., all works are excluded.
Salvation is the Lord's!" (Rev 7:10), and his alone (Rev 12:10, 19:1; Ps 37:39, 62:1; Isa 43:11; Hos 13:4).

The issue, in the NT emphasis and importance of separating works from justification (salvation), is so that the redeemed have a
full understanding and appreciation
of the sheer magnitude of their blessing from the goodness of God in their redemption. . .and at
so great a price to him, a salvation that is all of God and nothing (nada, zero, zip) of man, for "Salvation is the Lord's!" (Rev 7:10),

so that no one can boast (Eph 2:9; 1Co 1:29), they can only marvel in gratitude and praise of the glorious and infinite GOODNESS of God!

That is why Paul is so insistent on it (which importance was revealed to him by Jesus in the third heaven, 2Co 12:1-5)--for the benefit of the believer's apprehension of the magnitude of the GOODNESS of God.
 
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Then "the Reformation" is not being consistent with Romans 5:19 but is in fact reading its theological bias into the verse. The reformation wants the first half of the verse to teach its theological bias of OS yet the idea unconditionality of making all men sinners which they add to the first part of the verse backfires on the in the second part of the verse
 
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Then all are saved?
 
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Obviously, nobody is going to understand justification by faith if he thinks that "faith alone" means nothing more than "faith is all alone."
 
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GOODNESS of God!

That is why Paul is so insistent on it (which importance was revealed to him by Jesus in the third heaven, 2Co 12:1-5)--for the benefit of the believer's apprehension of the magnitude of the GOODNESS of God.
Then all are saved?
Those who do not believe and trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin are not saved (Jn 3:18, 36),
as in Orthodox Jews, who reject Jesus Christ, and remain locked-up in their sin of unbelief.
 
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Addressed in post #58 (presented in your post #96, above). Let's do it again.

Perhaps your "not being consistent within the verse" is my "actually being consistent within the entire NT."

Or perhaps you are unaware of Paul's frequent usage of such words as "the whole world" and "all" in two different ways:
1) all without exception = all mankind,
2) all without distinction = Gentile as well as Jew,

of which Ro 5:18-19 is an example:
". . .just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all (without exception) men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all (without distinction, Gentile as well as Jew) men. For Just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many (does not exclude "all") were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many (does not require "all") will be made righteous."
 
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