Justification, Sanctification, Salvation

[FineLinen]

Only if you ignore/deny Jesus' teaching (Matthew 25:46).

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Now, my friend, please list what are the qualifications for "everlasting punishment".

Everlasting punishment

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The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment according to the Master of reconciliation =

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[FineLinen]

Universalism is not biblical.

"Amazing grace like water flows to the lowest part." ~Philips Brooks

 

[BNR32FAN]

That which is spirit is spirit, that which is flesh is flesh. The realm of God must be awakened into Him by spiritual regeneration, otherwise we cannot see ABBA's Kingdom. Being born anew is in the present continuous dimension. Our great need is Him, Him, Him!

Exceedingly more!

In other words we can make up whatever we want without scripture to back it up and claim that it’s from the Holy Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Amazing grace like water flows to the lowest part." ~Philips Brooks

In my opinion the teachings of a second century bishop of the church directly established by the apostles carries more weight that a 19th century protestant theologian when trying to determine what the apostles actually taught.


1. what great things the Lord had done at His coming to save those who received Him, taking compassion upon them; while they keep silence with regard to His judgment; and all those things which shall come upon such as have heard His words, but done them not, and that it were better for them if they had not been born, Matthew 26:24 and that it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the judgment than for that city which did not receive the word of His disciples. Matthew 10:15


2. For as, in the New Testament, that faith of men [to be placed] in God has been increased, receiving in addition [to what was already revealed] the Son of God, that man too might be a partaker of God; so is also our walk in life required to be more circumspect, when we are directed not merely to abstain from evilactions, but even from evil thoughts, and from idle words, and empty talk, and scurrilous language: thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, Matthew 25:41 these shall be damned for ever; and to whomsoever He shall say, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you for eternity, Matthew 25:34 these do receive the kingdom for ever, and make constant advance in it; since there is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) and has judged those who are judged, that is, those who forget God, and are blasphemous, and transgressors of His word.

St Iranaeus 170AD Adversus Haereses Book 4 Chapter 28

 

[ViaCrucis]

I think you need to discuss what 'live' and 'abide' mean here. It is not the same as 'inhabit', unless 'live' and 'abide' is all you meant.

Sure. Christ commands that we love others as ourselves--in the same way that Christ put us on in His love to give His life away, Christ calls us to put others on--to regard others with the same care that we would show ourselves--and love them.

I abide in, inhabit, put on my neighbor by recognizing my neighbor's needs as important as my own, that their life and well being as as important as my own, that I even put the needs of others as a higher priority than my own.

To recognize in my neighbor the same humanity, the same image of God, that we are both human, we both suffer, we both hunger, we both need drink, we both need care and love.

If I am not giving myself away to other people in love, then I'm not following Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Clare73]

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Now, my friend, please list what are the qualifications for "everlasting punishment".

Everlasting punishment
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The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment according to the Master of reconciliation =
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3.________________?
4.________________?
5.________________?

Not sure what all the falderol with the language is about. . .but I have no problem understanding "eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46) nor "unquenchabel fire" (Mark 9:43), the latter which being thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around one's neck would be better than, making pretty evident to me that I will not regard it as a good thing.

It's not complicated. . .

 

[Mark Quayle]

Sure. Christ commands that we love others as ourselves--in the same way that Christ put us on in His love to give His life away, Christ calls us to put others on--to regard others with the same care that we would show ourselves--and love them.

I abide in, inhabit, put on my neighbor by recognizing my neighbor's needs as important as my own, that their life and well being as as important as my own, that I even put the needs of others as a higher priority than my own.

To recognize in my neighbor the same humanity, the same image of God, that we are both human, we both suffer, we both hunger, we both need drink, we both need care and love.

If I am not giving myself away to other people in love, then I'm not following Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran

No disagreement there, unless in terminology. But we don't "inhabit" them, as a demon inhabits a body. Nor, in fact, do we "live in" them as the Holy Spirit does in making them his dwelling place.

 

[ViaCrucis]

No disagreement there, unless in terminology. But we don't "inhabit" them, as a demon inhabits a body. Nor, in fact, do we "live in" them as the Holy Spirit does in making them his dwelling place.

I think that should be obvious.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[FineLinen]

Not sure what all the falderol with the language is about. . .but I have no problem understanding "eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46) nor "unquenchabel fire" (Mark 9:43), the latter which being thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around one's neck would be better than, making pretty evident to me that I will not regard it as a good thing.

It's not complicated. . .

If nothing reaches beyond uncomplicated for any of us in ABBA's world, we will require no need for Him to open our understanding.

 

[FineLinen]

In my opinion the teachings of a second century bishop of the church directly established by the apostles carries more weight that a 19th century protestant theologian when trying to determine what the apostles actually taught.

Hearing what our Father ABBA is speaking requires the opening of the ears, mind & heart.

"Then opened He their understanding..."

 

[Mark Quayle]

If nothing reaches beyond uncomplicated for any of us in ABBA's world, we will require no need for Him to open our understanding.

That's really not answering @Clare73 . Be fair —she did not say there is nothing more to be understood in those things. She doesn't claim to know the depth of what unquenchable fire is. She is only saying that the issue at hand is not too complicated to grasp.

If I said that the Cosmological Argument isn't complicated, I only mean that it is simple logic that says if I exist, there is obviously a first cause at that end of the chain of causation. I am not saying there is not a lot more information as to what the chain consists of or that causation implies, nor what first cause is.

 

[Clare73]

If nothing reaches beyond uncomplicated for any of us in ABBA's world, we will require no need for Him to open our understanding.

Strawman. . .

 

[Clare73]

Hearing what our Father ABBA is speaking requires the opening of the ears, mind & heart.

"Then opened He their understanding..."

Where it then becomes uncomplicated. . .

Red herring.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hearing what our Father ABBA is speaking requires the opening of the ears, mind & heart.

"Then opened He their understanding..."

And a Bible

 

[FineLinen]

That's really not answering @Clare73 . Be fair —she did not say there is nothing more to be understood in those things. She doesn't claim to know the depth of what unquenchable fire is. She is only saying that the issue at hand is not too complicated to grasp.

If I said that the Cosmological Argument isn't complicated, I only mean that it is simple logic that says if I exist, there is obviously a first cause at that end of the chain of causation. I am not saying there is not a lot more information as to what the chain consists of or that causation implies, nor what first cause is.

Our glorious God lives within a world of vast mystery. The musterian dimensions of His sacred word to us requires an anointing of the mind, ears and heart!

"The supreme need in every hour of difficulty is for a fresh vision of God. Seeing Him, all else takes on proper perspective & proportion." ~G. Campbell Morgan

 

[Mark Quayle]

Our glorious God lives within a world of vast mystery. The musterian dimensions of His sacred word to us requires an anointing of the mind, ears and heart!

"The supreme need in every hour of difficulty is for a fresh vision of God. Seeing Him, all else takes on proper perspective & proportion." ~G. Campbell Morgan

What I'm wondering is why you bring this up. I did not say otherwise, nor did she. But you sounded like she did.

Waxing eloquent on a thought doesn't make it a valid argument against, nor relevant to, the point she made.