Justification, Sanctification, Salvation

[Mark Quayle]

"We give this rule: the good things which we have from God ought to flow from one to another, and become common to all, so that every one of us may, as it were, put on his neighbor, and so behave towards him its if he were himself in his place. They flowed and do flow from Christ to us; he put us on, and acted for us as if he himself were what we are. From us they flow to those who have need of them; so that my faith and righteousness ought to be laid down before God as a covering and intercession for the sins of my neighbor, which I am to take on myself, and so labour and endure servitude in them, as if they were my own; for thus has Christ done for us. This is true love and the genuine truth of Christian life. But only there is it true and genuine, where there is true and genuine faith. Hence the Apostle attributes to Charity this quality, that she seeketh not her own.

We conclude therefore that a Christian man does not live in himself, but in Christ, and in his neighbor, or else is no Christian; in Christ by faith, in his neighbor by love. By faith he is carried upwards above himself to God, and by love he sinks back below himself to his neighbor, still always abiding in God and His love," - Martin Luther, On the Freedom of a Christian

I stand by what I said.

-CryptoLutheran

I think you need to discuss what 'live' and 'abide' mean here. It is not the same as 'inhabit', unless 'live' and 'abide' is all you meant.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sanctification is indeed a process of coming into at-one-ment with our glorious Father.

The identical segment of humanity constituted sinners in Adam1 are the many/polus constituted righteous in the Last Adam, our Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is not being saved from only, salvation is being absorbed into Him by His love & grace.

The Lake of Theion, rooted in Divinity, completes ABBA'S work on the natural man.

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension IN Christ Jesus

What verse actually says “the lake of theion”? Revelation 20:8 and 10 both say the lake of fire (pur) and brimstone (theion) aka sulphur. Those are the only two verses that mention the lake of fire (pur) and theion in the same sentence.

 

[Clare73]

Father's plan reaches consummation
"All things have been handed over to me by my Father". ~Matthew 11:27Jesus Christ will take care of all the things in this world. He will redeem us and save us all!

You left out the judging part (John 5:22; Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 11:24, Matthew 12:36, etc.).

 

[Minister Monardo]

I like that story much better than the traditional story that God loses all He created to the wisdom of the evil one.

Where did that story come from?

 

[BNR32FAN]

"We give this rule: the good things which we have from God ought to flow from one to another, and become common to all, so that every one of us may, as it were, put on his neighbor, and so behave towards him its if he were himself in his place. They flowed and do flow from Christ to us; he put us on, and acted for us as if he himself were what we are. From us they flow to those who have need of them; so that my faith and righteousness ought to be laid down before God as a covering and intercession for the sins of my neighbor, which I am to take on myself, and so labour and endure servitude in them, as if they were my own; for thus has Christ done for us. This is true love and the genuine truth of Christian life. But only there is it true and genuine, where there is true and genuine faith. Hence the Apostle attributes to Charity this quality, that she seeketh not her own.

We conclude therefore that a Christian man does not live in himself, but in Christ, and in his neighbor, or else is no Christian; in Christ by faith, in his neighbor by love. By faith he is carried upwards above himself to God, and by love he sinks back below himself to his neighbor, still always abiding in God and His love," - Martin Luther, On the Freedom of a Christian

I stand by what I said.

-CryptoLutheran

Unfortunately the reality is there’s a lot of division in Christianity.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You left out the judging part (John 5:22; Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 11:24, Matthew 12:36, etc.).

and the eternal torment part

 

[BNR32FAN]

I like that story much better than the traditional story that God loses all He created to the wisdom of the evil one.

It’s sounds nice but is it biblical is the important question. I’m sure Eve thought is was nice to hear that she would not die from eating the forbidden fruit as well.

 

[FineLinen]

I like that story much better than the traditional story that God loses all He created to the wisdom of the evil one.

Our blessed Lord, from whom the all came, is the end of the all. He is the Source, Guide & Goal of the ta pante.

Any person who conceives Him losing the vast, vast part of His creation, is in a serious state of discombobulation.

 

[wendykvw]

Where did that story come from?

The Bible.

 

[wendykvw]

It’s sounds nice but is it biblical is the important question. I’m sure Eve thought is was nice to hear that she would not die from eating the forbidden fruit as well.

What is your point?

 

[FineLinen]

What verse actually says “the lake of theion”? Revelation 20:8 and 10 both say the lake of fire (pur) and brimstone (theion) aka sulphur. Those are the only two verses that mention the lake of fire (pur) and theion in the same sentence.

Unbelief shall have its portion in the Lake of Fire which burns with fire and brimtone.

Make no mistake! Our God IS consuming fire! If its not like the Lord Jesus himself it's headed for the ash pile.

Because of the gross misunderstanding of almost all people concerning the Lake of Fire, I will draw our attention to three words found in our text. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The word burn means combustion, or to consume. To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute and scientific sense. When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example, a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned in your fireplace. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply changed into a different form and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc.

Thus, to burn means to change! God is not speaking of our bodies being burned up in the Lake of Fire, the fire is spiritual fire and its work is a spiritual work upon our stubborn wills, our carnal minds, our flesh nature, our corrupt passions, and all that causes us to be cast into this divine processing of God! Furthermore, that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. All that it consumes goes up in smoke, to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam. To burn means to change, and the change is always upward in motion!

 

[FineLinen]

You left out the judging part (John 5:22; Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 11:24, Matthew 12:36, etc.).

Our Father judges, and His judgment is life. His judgment is not aidios correction but reaches the purpose. Take it to the bank.

 

[Clare73]

Our Father judges, and His judgment is life. His judgment is not aidios correction but reaches the purpose. Take it to the bank.

Only if you ignore/deny Jesus' teaching (Matthew 25:46).

 

[BNR32FAN]

What is your point?

Universalism is not biblical.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The word burn means combustion, or to consume. To consume does not mean to annihilate, for there is no such thing as annihilation in the absolute and scientific sense.

God is not limited to work within the parameters of science hence the numerous miracles He performed.

Miracle=a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency

 

[BNR32FAN]

When fire consumes a log in your fireplace it does not destroy any of the elements within the log, it merely changes their form. Combustion is the process by which chemicals combine to form new chemicals. For example, a tree might be cut down, sawed into fire wood, and burned in your fireplace. When the wood is burning the heat causes the chemicals of which the wood is composed to vaporize, mixing with the oxygen in the air to form new chemicals, including water and the gas carbon dioxide. So what was formerly a tree is no longer identified as the form of a tree, but the substance thereof is now simply changed into a different form and exists in its new form within the atmosphere as water, carbon dioxide, etc.

Are you implying that a spirit and a log have anything in common?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thus, to burn means to change! God is not speaking of our bodies being burned up in the Lake of Fire, the fire is spiritual fire and its work is a spiritual work upon our stubborn wills, our carnal minds, our flesh nature, our corrupt passions,

Yet your the one comparing spiritual burning to logs burning. Just before you made this statement you were comparing a physical log burning to bring about the false narrative that fire doesn’t annihilate it changes so now when you associate that with a spiritual burning all that scientific nonsense goes right out the window because it doesn’t apply to spiritual burning.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Furthermore, that fire does not burn down; it always burns up; it seeks the highest level. All that it consumes goes up in smoke, to exist in a new form in a higher dimension. Even if you take a pan of water and place it over a fire, before long the water will take on the property of the fire and will begin to go up in steam. To burn means to change, and the change is always upward in motion!

Now we’re back to comparing a physical fire with physical objects to a spiritual fire burning spiritual objects implying that they have the same properties and behavior when nobody knows that your just pulling that out of thin air. It’s not scriptural it’s not even scientific it’s just your imagination.

 

[Der Alte]

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Our blessed Lord, from whom the all came, is the end of the all. He is the Source, Guide & Goal of the ta pante.
Any person who conceives Him losing the vast, vast part of His creation, is in a serious state of discombobulation.

That sounds real nice. Unfortunately you cannot provide one scripture which states that. As with other theologically incorrect religious groups you have to bring unrelated vss together.

 

[FineLinen]

Now we’re back to comparing a physical fire with physical objects to a spiritual fire burning spiritual objects implying that they have the same properties and behavior when nobody knows that your just pulling that out of thin air. It’s not scriptural it’s not even scientific it’s just your imagination.

That which is spirit is spirit, that which is flesh is flesh. The realm of God must be awakened into Him by spiritual regeneration, otherwise we cannot see ABBA's Kingdom. Being born anew is in the present continuous dimension. Our great need is Him, Him, Him!

Exceedingly more!