JUSTICE, JUST and the Wrath of God

[Ron Gurley]

JUSTICE, JUST and the Wrath of God

From Genesis to Revelation, The TRI-UNE GOD is unchanging and unchangeable.
BUT His plan and economy and method of how to deal with Man has changed.

A perfectly SOVREIGN and JUST KING must render JUDGMENTS
against Man and "NATIONS"="ethnos"="societies" (from infants to aged to animals)
who have TOTALLY rejected Him and His perfect GOOD, His perfect WISDOM, His perfect provisions for salvation.

The TRI-UNE GOD is ALSO perfectly LOVING and MERCIFUL.
His omniscience ensures that no one who spiritually believes in Him and accepts His calling and accepts His loving gifts of undeserved Grace through spirit-led Faith
receive salvation.

Is the "wrath of God" what appears to Man as worldly "atrocities" or "disasters"??

Romans 1:18 [ Unbelief and Its Consequences ]
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

JUST / justice
= perfect respect and treatment of Man in accordance with perfect standards

Deuteronomy 32 (NASB)....The Song of Moses....God: all His ways are JUST
4 “The Rock!
His work is perfect,
For all His ways are JUST;
A God of faithfulness and without injustice,
Righteous and upright is He.

Genesis 18:25...God judges with perfect JUSTICE
Far be it from You to do such a thing,
to slay the righteous with the wicked,
so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike.
Far be it from You!
Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal JUSTLY?”

It is perfectly JUST for those who reject GOD's provisions to suffer His righteous and perfect WRATH....BUT:
God is also perfectly Loving and Merciful.

Matthew 5...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount to the crowds
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
48 Therefore you are to be (TRY to be) perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

The "wrath of God" poured out on those who rejected Him ended at the Cross.

John 3:36...John the Baptist
....He who believes in the Son has eternal life;
but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the WRATH of God abides on him.”

Romans 5:9...
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood,
we shall be SAVED from the WRATH of God THROUGH Him.

Propititation: "satisfaction with action" ~= atonement

Romans 3....Justification / Redemption / PROPITIATION by Faith
21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION in His blood through faith.
This was to demonstrate His righteousness,
because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time,
so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Revelation 14: 9-12 (NASB)
“If anyone worships the beast (Satan) and his image (idol), and
receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
he also will drink of the wine of the WRATH of God,
which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger;
and he (unbeliever) will be tormented with fire and brimstone
in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;
they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image,
and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

QUESTIONS:
1. Does God pour out Wrath on the unbelieving wicked TODAY? OT vs. NT??
2. Give examples of what may appear to man as being the "wrath of God".

 

[R. Hartono]

God until today still give a chance to repent for mankind

 

[ClementofA]

Because I have sinned against him, I will bear the LORD’s wrath, until he pleads my case and upholds my cause. He will bring me out into the light;I will see his righteousness. (Micah 7:9)

Isaiah 12:1
Then you will say on that day, "I will give thanks to You, O LORD; For although You were angry with me, Your anger is turned away, And You comfort me.

Hosea 6:1
"Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.

Isa.57:17 “Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.

18“I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Jeremiah 31:34
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

Isaiah 29:24
"Those who err in mind will know the truth, And those who criticize will accept instruction.

Jer 23:20 - The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

 

[Ron Gurley]

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

The lost will suffer eternal spiritual torments in the "lake of fire".
The saved will enjoy eternal spiritual presence in the heavenly realms.

 

[ClementofA]

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

The lost will suffer eternal spiritual torments in the "lake of fire".
The saved will enjoy eternal spiritual presence in the heavenly realms.

"he will cast thee off for ever; from being king, or enjoying that peace, prosperity, and happiness, which otherwise would be enjoyed."
(Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible) 1 Chronicles 28:9 Commentaries: "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

The word in question is Strongs # 5703, AD. Like the Hebrew word OLAM (5769) it can refer to durations that are finite.

It is used in Hab.3:6. If the translators thought the word AD[5703] always meant "eternal" why would they have translated it as "ancient", "perpetual" and "age-old" as they did here:

"ancient(AD) mountains crumbled" (NIV)
"the perpetual(AD) mountains were shattered" (NASB)
"The age-old mountains were shattered" (ISV)

Likewise, if the translators thought the word AD[5703] always meant "eternal" why would they have translated it as "perpetually" & "continually" as they did here:

"...and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever." (Amos 1:11, JPS)
"...In their rage, they slashed them continually and were unrelenting in their anger." (Amos 1:11, NIV)
"...His anger also tore continually..." (Amos 1:11, NASB)

Thus says Yahweh, Due to three transgressions of Edom, and due to four, I will not turn it back, due to his pursuing his brother with the sword, since he ruins his own compassions. His anger is preying into the future[AD, 5703], and his rage, he keeps it permanently. [CLV, Amos 1:11]

One scholarly lexicon states:

"...As a rule the LXX translates AD as AION. Exceptions include EIS TELOS (1 Chr.28:9) EN KAIRO (Isa.64:8[9]) and APO TOU ETI (Job 20:4)."

(Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, TDOT, Vol.10, p.462, by Botterweck, G. Johannes, Ringgren, Helmer, Fabry, Heinz-Josef).

Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (TDOT) (15 vols.)

Bible scholar Spiros Zodhiates states in his lexicon:

"'AD (5703, which see) has about the same spectrum of meaning as OWLAM. The Septuagint generally translates OWLAM by AION (165), cf. NT lexical section, referring to a long age or period of time..." (Spiros Zodhaites, The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible, in the section Lexical Aids To The Old Testament, p. 1621)

"AD...meaning terminus, duration, advance, perpetuity, eternity...Hebrew had no special terms for the past, the present, the future, or eternity. There simply was no general word for time in that language...Only twice was AD used with regard to the past (Job 20:4; Hab.3:6). Otherwise it always denotes the unforseeable future" (p.1620).

Likewise from another well known lexicon:

"AD (q.v.) has substantially the same range of meaning as OLAM (usually long continuance into the future, but c.f. Job 20:4)" (Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, TWOT, Harris, Archer & Waltke, p.673):

Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT)
https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Wordbook-Testament-Laird-Harris/dp/0802486495

Helena Keizer remarks in her PHD dissertation:

"...the Hebrew noun 'AD is consistently rendered in the LXX by aion. This indicates that 'AD is semantically related to OLAM." (p.119).

"...JENNI (1976a)...lists as synonyms 'AD, DOR WADOR, OLAM and NETSACH." (p.119, note 34)

"...Short as it is, the word 'AD turns out to be used as a more pointed and less descriptive counterpart of OLAM. Etymologically the noun is related to the homonymous preposition 'AD "unto", "until", "as long as" as well as to the root 'DH "to go on", "to pass". (p.120)

Life Time Entirety. A Study of AION in Greek Literature and Philosophy, the Septuagint and Philo

The aforementioned Hebrew language scholar Ernst Jenni remarks concerning AD being synonymous with OLAM, DOR WADOR & NESAH & DE OBED on page 855 of the lexicon "The Theological Lexicon of the Old Testament", TLOT, by Jenni & Westermann:

Theological Lexicon of the Old Testament (3 vols.)
https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Lexicon-Testament-English-Aramaic/dp/1565631331

The NAS Exhaustive Concordance definition is "perpetuity". The NASB translates AD as perpetual, continually, old, etc..
Strong's Hebrew: 5703. עַד (ad) -- perpetuity

"From adah; properly, a (peremptory) terminus, i.e. (by implication) duration, in the sense of advance or perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition)" (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance) at Strong's Hebrew: 5703. עַד (ad) -- perpetuity

The Brown Driver Briggs lexicon of the OT lists for AD "advancing time", "of past time", "of future time", "during lifetime, of king", etc. See:

Strong's Hebrew: 5703. עַד (ad) -- perpetuity

A thought on the context of 1 Chr.28:9 is that it isn't speaking about the after life or any "hell", but of Solomon inheriting "the good land" (v.8), both him & his sons after him "unto the eon" (v.8):

And now, before the eyes of all Israel, the assembly of Jehovah, and in the ears of our God, keep and seek all the commands of Jehovah your God, so that ye possess this good land, and have caused your sons to inherit after you unto the age. (1 Chr.28:8, YLT)

Most translations say "forever" (1 Chr.28:8). How will the "good land" be inherited forever when it is going to pass away with the old earth (Rv.20-21)?

if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever. (1 Chr.28:9b, KJV)

This passage (1 Chr.28:9) is about Solomon. Did he or anyone else in the Scriptures ever forsake the Lord & then come back to Him later? (If so, would that prove that the word AD in 1 Chr.28:9 does not mean "forever"?). For example, David, who committed premeditated adultery & murder? Or Peter who denied the Lord three times? Or those spoken of in 1 Cor.5:4,5 & 1 Tim.1:20? Was not OT Israel continually forsaking the Lord & then later returning to Him again?

I'd suggest 1 Chr.28:9 is more favorable to the UR viewpoint than the POV of those who delight in the "good news" of endless tortures.

Also that the pro ECT Bible versions are once again misleading & decieving the public, injecting their own theological biases into the Scriptures, just as they do with the words aion/ios & olam.

According to the Scriptures, God is Love Omnipotent, not a mythical deception infinitely worse than Hitler, Bin Laden & Satan combined.

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

 

[Der Alte]

...
According to the Scriptures, God is Love Omnipotent, not a mythical deception infinitely worse than Hitler, Bin Laden & Satan combined.

Please show me one verse, more than one would be better, where "Love Omnipotent," God Himself, says that He will reconcile/save everyone even after death.

 

[ClementofA]

Please show me one verse, more than one would be better, where "Love Omnipotent," God Himself, says that He will reconcile/save everyone even after death.

Show me one where Love Omnipotent is a failure in failing to or being impotent & unable to save people postmortem because His mercy, grace & compassion expire like a carton of milk gone bad. Actually, you can't. No such verse exists in all the 66 books of the Bible.

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?" (Jer.32:27). Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Mt.19:26). "Is anything too difficult for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son." (Gen.18:14). 'Ah Lord GOD! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm! Nothing is too difficult for You, (Jer.32:17).

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.


Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism

Is there salvation after death?

If endless punishment were true & victims of infanticide all go to heaven

 

[Der Alte]

Show me one where Love Omnipotent is a failure in failing to or being impotent & unable to save people postmortem because His mercy, grace & compassion expire like a carton of milk gone bad. Actually, you can't. No such verse exists in all the 66 books of the Bible.
"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?" (Jer.32:27). Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Mt.19:26). "Is anything too difficult for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son." (Gen.18:14). 'Ah Lord GOD! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm! Nothing is too difficult for You, (Jer.32:17).
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.
“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”
Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.
"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).
For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All....

I have never said or implied that God was a failure at anything or impotent. So I don't have to prove anything. You introduced the term "Love Omnipotent" to the forum and repeatedly say that "Love Omnipotent" does not have an expiration date like a carton of milk. Since you introduced the term then you should be able to support your position. But apparently you cannot.

 

[ClementofA]

Since you introduced the term then you should be able to support your position. But apparently you cannot.

You didn't respond to what i posted. I'll spell it out for you. It is agreed by all that there are those who leave this world unsaved. If all will be saved, that proves, therefore, that there is postmortem salvation. My post gave you Scriptures showing all will be saved. Therefore there is postmortem salvation.

Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

 

[Ron Gurley]

" postmortem salvation " or "ALL will be saved" = Universalism. (off topic)

"Christian Universalism" is the theological position that:
ALL of mankind will ultimately be "saved" through Jesus whether or not spirit-led FAITH / BELIEF leads to salvation in this life.
It claims that God's qualities require that ALL people be saved and that eternal torments/punishment is a false doctrine. There is no distinction between those who ACCEPT God and REJECT God.
Salvation is not from "hell" and eternal spiritual separation / death, but Salvation is ONLY from sin.

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It is contrary to the very heart of orthodox Christ-following.

John 3: 17-18, 36
...For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world might be SAVED THROUGH Him.
He who BELIEVES in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God...
He who BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life;
but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the wrath of God abides on him.”

 

[ClementofA]

"Christian Universalism" is the theological position that:
ALL of mankind will ultimately be "saved" through Jesus whether or not spirit-led FAITH / BELIEF leads to salvation in this life.
It claims that God's qualities require that ALL people be saved and that eternal torments/punishment is a false doctrine. There is no distinction between those who ACCEPT God and REJECT God.
Salvation is not from "hell" and eternal spiritual separation / death, but Salvation is ONLY from sin.

I don't know where you're getting this info from Ron, but the classical universalist (early church fathers) view is that there is a "hell". See also:

7 Myths About Universalism

Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times

John 3:36, 3:16, 1 Jn.1:2, aionios life:
Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

 

[Der Alte]

You didn't respond to what i posted. I'll spell it out for you. It is agreed by all that there are those who leave this world unsaved. If all will be saved, that proves, therefore, that there is postmortem salvation. My post gave you Scriptures showing all will be saved. Therefore there is postmortem salvation.

No, you did not give me scriptures showing that all will be saved. You quoted some unrelated scriptures which when jammed together without respect to the individual context you assume that they "prove" UR. What you have not done and cannot do is provide one single verse where "Love Omnipotent, " i.e. God Himself, states unequivocally that all mankind will be saved/reconciled even after death.

 

[ClementofA]

No, you did not give me scriptures showing that all will be saved.

I did...right here...again...

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

 

[Micah888]

QUESTIONS:
1. Does God pour out Wrath on the unbelieving wicked TODAY? OT vs. NT??

No. We live in what is termed "the Age of Grace", when the Gospel must be preached to every creature in all the world.

2. Give examples of what may appear to man as being the "wrath of God".

If by "man" you mean unregenerate men, they generally have no concept of the wrath of God.

 

[Micah888]

According to the Scriptures, God is Love Omnipotent, not a mythical deception infinitely worse than Hitler, Bin Laden & Satan combined.

"Unfathomable Love" would be more appropriate, but are you suggesting that because God is Love, He is not Light in whom is no darkness at all?

Light for God is not only His ineffable glory, but also His absolute holiness and righteousness. Therefore God cannot allow defiling sin into His presence. And unless the blood of Christ is applied to a sinner's soul, he cannot enter into God's presence. Therefore the unsaved are judged according to their works, then cast into eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire). And that provides the reason for the necessity and urgency of the Gospel.

 

[Ron Gurley]

CAUSATION: WHO/WHAT if anyone CAUSES?:
Weather Disasters?...like tornados and hurricanes?
Earthquakes? Mudslides? Floods? Wild fires?
Disease? Infirmities? Man's inhumanity to Man?

Proximate effective CAUSE? Sow and Reap?

Clue: The buck does NOT stop with God!

 

[Ron Gurley]

world = chaotic universe
flesh = Man's sin nature
devil = evil spirit beings

= CLUES!

 

[Der Alte]

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I did...right here...again...
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.[Unsupported assumption, DA]
“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation.[Unsupported assumption, DA] Since all share in one, all share in the other. [Unsupported Assumption, DA] If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. [Unsupported assumption, DA] But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”[Unsupported assumption, DA]
Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.
"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).
For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.[Unsupported assumption, DA]
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Perhaps you did not understand my request. Please show me at least one verse, more would be better, where "Love Omnipotent", God Himself, NOT Paul or some other writer, says in no uncertain terms that He will save/reconcile all mankind, even the unrepentant after death?
Isa 53:11 is yet another out-of-context proof text. See e.g.

Isaiah 53:12
(12) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.​

A few more verses from Isaiah.

Isaiah 3:11
(11) Woe to the wicked! Disaster is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done.​

Where does "Love Omnipotent," God Himself, say that the disaster will cease?

Isaiah 48:22
(22) "There is no peace," says the LORD, "for the wicked."​

Where does "Love Omnipotent," YHWH Himself, say that He will give the wicked peace?

Isaiah 55:7
(7) Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.​

The converse of this is if the wicked does not forsake his ways and the unrighteous does not forsake his unrighteous thoughts God will not have mercy and will not pardon them.

Isaiah 57:20-21
(20) But the wicked are like the tossing sea, which cannot rest, whose waves cast up mire and mud.
(21) "There is no peace," says my God, "for the wicked."​

Where does "Love Omnipotent," God Himself, say that He will give peace to the wicked?

 

[Hethatreadethit]

JUSTICE, JUST and the Wrath of God

From Genesis to Revelation, The TRI-UNE GOD is unchanging and unchangeable.
BUT His plan and economy and method of how to deal with Man has changed.

A perfectly SOVREIGN and JUST KING must render JUDGMENTS
against Man and "NATIONS"="ethnos"="societies" (from infants to aged to animals)
who have TOTALLY rejected Him and His perfect GOOD, His perfect WISDOM, His perfect provisions for salvation.

The TRI-UNE GOD is ALSO perfectly LOVING and MERCIFUL.
His omniscience ensures that no one who spiritually believes in Him and accepts His calling and accepts His loving gifts of undeserved Grace through spirit-led Faith
receive salvation.

Is the "wrath of God" what appears to Man as worldly "atrocities" or "disasters"??

Romans 1:18 [ Unbelief and Its Consequences ]
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

JUST / justice
= perfect respect and treatment of Man in accordance with perfect standards

Deuteronomy 32 (NASB)....The Song of Moses....God: all His ways are JUST
4 “The Rock!
His work is perfect,
For all His ways are JUST;
A God of faithfulness and without injustice,
Righteous and upright is He.

Genesis 18:25...God judges with perfect JUSTICE
Far be it from You to do such a thing,
to slay the righteous with the wicked,
so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike.
Far be it from You!
Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal JUSTLY?”

It is perfectly JUST for those who reject GOD's provisions to suffer His righteous and perfect WRATH....BUT:
God is also perfectly Loving and Merciful.

Matthew 5...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount to the crowds
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
48 Therefore you are to be (TRY to be) perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

The "wrath of God" poured out on those who rejected Him ended at the Cross.

John 3:36...John the Baptist
....He who believes in the Son has eternal life;
but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the WRATH of God abides on him.”

Romans 5:9...
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood,
we shall be SAVED from the WRATH of God THROUGH Him.

Propititation: "satisfaction with action" ~= atonement

Romans 3....Justification / Redemption / PROPITIATION by Faith
21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION in His blood through faith.
This was to demonstrate His righteousness,
because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time,
so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Revelation 14: 9-12 (NASB)
“If anyone worships the beast (Satan) and his image (idol), and
receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
he also will drink of the wine of the WRATH of God,
which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger;
and he (unbeliever) will be tormented with fire and brimstone
in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;
they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image,
and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

QUESTIONS:
1. Does God pour out Wrath on the unbelieving wicked TODAY? OT vs. NT??
2. Give examples of what may appear to man as being the "wrath of God".

The wrath of God is His word. God has given His word to man. Obedience to His word brings blessing, disobedience to His word brings wrath. The fulfilment to His wrath will be destruction. That easy, but God's enemies are always struggling with the Word of God. God gave His wrath (law) to the Jews and their disobedience brought destruction. Christ brought forth the law of faith and disobedience there will bring ultra destruction.

 

[ClementofA]

Light for God is not only His ineffable glory, but also His absolute holiness and righteousness. Therefore God cannot allow defiling sin into His presence.

Satan enters God's presence in the book of Job.

And unless the blood of Christ is applied to a sinner's soul, he cannot enter into God's presence. Therefore the unsaved are judged according to their works, then cast into eternal Hell (the Lake of Fire). And that provides the reason for the necessity and urgency of the Gospel.

According to universalism there is hell but no endless hell:

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf