Just Mormon quotes

[Wrigley]

So you're trying to tell me that no other religion has ever made a quote that seemed not to fit properly in percieved Christianity?

Besides, I highly doubt that much of those quotes accurately reflect the original intent of the message. Much of the J of D and other sources, were compiled many years after the statements were made.

I'm not discounting everything quoted here as false, but you apparently think that whatever is attributed to an LDS leader is exactly what was said, just because it fits within your purpose for posting it. No questions asked!!!

It would seem to me, and I'm not too bright, that your only purpose here is to cast the CofJCofLDS in the absolute worst possible light as humanly possible.

If this is the case I know where you would have a much larger audience to more effectively dish out this type of evangelism.

If interested I'll post a link for you to join this forum that is jam packed with LDS posters.

Any takers?

TW

I lurk those sites. Its fascinating what you guys talk about.

 

[CCWoody]

Feel free to quote any LDS leaders to your hearts content. Knock yourself out.

My problem is that you're trying to pass all those quotes off as official LDS doctrine and you're dead wrong.

You've been called on it and yet you still continue, disregarding my word, and ALL other LDS posters that, it is NOT official LDS doctrine.

TW

My problem is that you're trying to ignore all those quotes because you continue to claim that we maintain that this is official LDS doctrine. I'm can't say that I'm shocked that Mormons are taught to tell falsehoods to Christians as an attempt to avoid dealing with the possibility that their cherished leaders might be false prophets.

In the History of the Church (vol.7, p.287), Brigham Young even claimed that "Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ."​

So, answer me this question: Am I an anti-Christ or was Brigham Young lying when he said that?

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

 

[twhite982]

I lurk those sites. Its fascinating what you guys talk about.

Don't just lurk around the sites join in. And I might add use the exact same tactics you use here.

TW

 

[twhite982]

My problem is that you're trying to ignore all those quotes because you continue to claim that we maintain that this is official LDS doctrine. I'm can't say that I'm shocked that Mormons are taught to tell falsehoods to Christians as an attempt to avoid dealing with the possibility that their cherished leaders might be false prophets.

In the History of the Church (vol.7, p.287), Brigham Young even claimed that "Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ."​

So, answer me this question: Am I an anti-Christ or was Brigham Young lying when he said that?

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

I'm not ignoring any quote. I have read through the majority of the quotes that you've posted. Sometimes it just a matter of reading it in CONTEXT and other times I just scratch my head.

Either way, I base my church's beliefs upon doctrine not opinion, assumptions, or whatever else and I only ask that you base the church as a whole on those same guidelines.

You may judge Brigham Young individually however you want to.

TW

 

[Wrigley]

Don't just lurk around the sites join in. And I might add use the exact same tactics you use here.

TW

What tactic is that?

 

[twhite982]

What tactic is that?

Your methods of evangelism you employ here.

TW

 

[Wrigley]

Your methods of evangelism you employ here.

TW

Which are?

 

[CCWoody]

I'm not ignoring any quote. I have read through the majority of the quotes that you've posted. Sometimes it just a matter of reading it in CONTEXT and other times I just scratch my head.

Either way, I base my church's beliefs upon doctrine not opinion, assumptions, or whatever else and I only ask that you base the church as a whole on those same guidelines.

You may judge Brigham Young individually however you want to.

TW

Oh, so your prophets words are mere "opinion" and "assumptions" or whatever. Is this just opinion and assumption (where we come from this is called a false gospel):

President Joseph Fielding Smith: there is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth.... No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, pp.189-90).​

BTW, did you know that good ol' Joe was often accused of being a violent man. That's strange behavior for a prophet:

According to the History of the Church, Joseph Smith admitted that he had tried to choke Walter Bagby: "I met him, and he gave me some abusive language, taking up a stone to throw at me: I seized him by the throat to choke him off" (p.531).

It was also recorded in Joseph Smith's diary (since supressed) that he had "whipped" a Baptist minister "till he begged."​

Can you find a single prophet in the Bible who was violent and beat Christian ministers until they "begged?"

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

 

[twhite982]

What's the point?

I'm wasting my time here.

TW

 

[Wrigley]

What's the point?

I'm wasting my time here.

TW

Well, if you're going to waste time.

Why not waste it here?

http://www.straitgate.com/aom/

Or here?

http://www.crcna.org/crbe/crbe_conf_cd.htm

Or even here?

http://www.exmormon.org/


Or even this, the best place.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

 

[twhite982]

Well, if you're going to waste time.

Why not waste it here?

http://www.straitgate.com/aom/

Or here?

http://www.crcna.org/crbe/crbe_conf_cd.htm

Or even here?

http://www.exmormon.org/


Or even this, the best place.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Are those sites similiar in discussion methods as this thread is?

TW

 

[CCWoody]

What's the point?

I'm wasting my time here.

TW

Come on, don't run away! Answer the question: Do I have to believe that the man Joseph Smith, who was often accused of being a violent man, is a prophet in order to get into the kingdm of God?

Joseph Smith in an interview: 'The world persecutes me, it has always persecuted me.... When I have proved that I am right, and get all the world subdued under me. I think I shall deserve something' (The New York Spectator, September 23, 1843). (emphasis added)​

Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.

 

[Wrigley]

Are those sites similiar in discussion methods as this thread is?

TW

Check them out.

 

[twhite982]

Check them out.

I'm assuming that much of what I see in these type of thread here are amplified in those sites.

I'll have to pass on them.

TW

 

[Wrigley]

I'm assuming that much of what I see in these type of thread here are amplified in those sites.

I'll have to pass on them.

TW

Hmm.

The last one is an on-line Bible resource. I can see where you would think that's a waste of time.

The other is a link for the Canons of Dort.

I would have thought you would have enjoyed reading.

 

[CCWoody]

"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven ... have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state ... they were exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever" (The Seer, p.23).

"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (The Seer, p.132).

 

[CCWoody]

"The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself ... We are created ... to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven" (Journal of Discourses, vol.3, p.93). "... man is the king of kings and lord of lords in embryo." (vol.10, p.223).

 

[Andre]

MORMONISM = A "Restored" Gospel​

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"Since the departure from the true gospel of Christ was to be universal…it would follow that a restoration would be necessary. Such a restoration is the message of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."—Apostle LeGrand Richards, A Marvelous Work And A Wonder, 1976, p. 32​

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BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY = An everlasting Gospel which has endured for "all generations"—never to disappear from the earth. Paul warned about those who would preach another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 11:3-4). Jesus prophesied that the "gates of hell" wouldn’t prevail againstHis church, and in so doing, He ruled out complete apostasy (Matthew 16:18). Thus, the Gospel would never have to be restored (Jude 3). Ephesians 3:21 states: "to Him be the glory in the church…to all generations forever and ever. Amen."​

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How can an apostate church give glory to God throughout "all generations"?​

Quoted from www.witforjesus.org​

 

[CCWoody]

"There is a statement often repeated in the Church, and while it is not in one of the Standard Church Works, it is accepted as Church doctrine, and this is: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.' " ~ Apostle LeGrand Richards in a letter to Morris L. Reynolds on July 14, 1966

 

[CCWoody]

"...every Knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that he is the God of the whole earth. Then will the words of the Prophet Brigham, when speaking of Adam, be fully realized--'He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.' " ~ volume 17, page 195, of the Millennial Star