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"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60

"This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..."
- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'harlot of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
- Apostle Orson Pratt proclaimed, The Seer, p. 255
 

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OUR FATHER ADAM.--The extract from the Journal Of Discourses may startle some of our readers, but we would wish them to recollect that in this last dispensation God will send forth, by His servants, things new as well as old, until man is perfected in the truth. And we would here take occasion to remark, that it would be well if all our readers would secure a copy of the Journal of Discourses as it is issued, and also of every standard work of the Church; and not only secure these works, but attentively read them, and thoroughly study the principles they contain. Those of the Saints whofail to obtain the standard publications of the Church, will not be likely to prove very intellegent Saints, and will be very liable to wake up some day, and find themselves wonderfully behind the times, and consequentially will not be able to stand the day of trial, which will come upon all the world. Without the intellegence that comes through the Holy Priesthood, the Saints cannot gain salvation, and this intelligence is given in the various publications of the Church. Who then will endanger his salvation by being behind the times? Not the wise, certainly.
Section exerpted from "EDITORIAL", uncredited, as published in The Latter-Day Saints' MILLENNIAL STAR, No. 4.--Vol, XV, Saturday, November 26, 1853, page 780.
 
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Miles Peterson said:
OUR FATHER ADAM.--The extract from the Journal Of Discourses may startle some of our readers, but we would wish them to recollect that in this last dispensation God will send forth, by His servants, things new as well as old, until man is perfected in the truth. And we would here take occasion to remark, that it would be well if all our readers would secure a copy of the Journal of Discourses as it is issued, and also of every standard work of the Church; and not only secure these works, but attentively read them, and thoroughly study the principles they contain. Those of the Saints whofail to obtain the standard publications of the Church, will not be likely to prove very intellegent Saints, and will be very liable to wake up some day, and find themselves wonderfully behind the times, and consequentially will not be able to stand the day of trial, which will come upon all the world. Without the intellegence that comes through the Holy Priesthood, the Saints cannot gain salvation, and this intelligence is given in the various publications of the Church. Who then will endanger his salvation by being behind the times? Not the wise, certainly.


Section exerpted from "EDITORIAL", uncredited, as published in The Latter-Day Saints' MILLENNIAL STAR, No. 4.--Vol, XV, Saturday, November 26, 1853, page 780.
Cough.
Nice way to drive subscriptions.
 
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Brigham Young —* Adam not made of the dust of this earth.* Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 6 (1853)
Joseph Smith — "The Priesthood was first given to Adam; ... He is Michael the Archangel, spoken of in the Scriptures.* Then to Noah, who is Gabriel: he stands next in authority to Adam in the Priesthood" Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 157.
Wilford Woodruff — Adam is Michael [the archangel] or God. Wilford Woodruff Diary, vol. 4, p. 129 (April 9, 1852)



And then a second thought


Joseph Fielding Smith - "Adam created from dust of this earth."* Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 90-91 (1954)
 
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"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens" (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).

"Man and God are of the same race, and it is within the power of righteous man to become like his Father." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 465-466).


"We hear considerable about evolution. Who is there that believes more in true evolution than the Latter-day Saints? - the evolution of man until he shall become a god...That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ believed in by the Latter-day Saints." (George Q. Canon, Gospel Truth, 1: 131).

"As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become." (Lorenzo Snow, in Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 105-106).

"The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like Himself." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 3:93). "Here, then, is eternal life -- to know the only wise and true God; and you have to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power....When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the gospel -- you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 6:306-7)
 
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rnmomof7 said:
Brigham Young —* Adam not made of the dust of this earth.* Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 6 (1853)
Joseph Smith — "The Priesthood was first given to Adam; ... He is Michael the Archangel, spoken of in the Scriptures.* Then to Noah, who is Gabriel: he stands next in authority to Adam in the Priesthood" Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 157.
Wilford Woodruff — Adam is Michael [the archangel] or God. Wilford Woodruff Diary, vol. 4, p. 129 (April 9, 1852)



And then a second thought


Joseph Fielding Smith - "Adam created from dust of this earth."* Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 90-91 (1954)


And then another thought

- One of countless gods in existence.* An exalted man from another world who created the earth who's name is "Elohim."* He became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on the other world.* He has a body of flesh and bones.* D&C 130: 22-23.
 
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It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given by anyone but Miles...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements.

Do you know what plagiarism is? Stealing someone else's work and putting it under your name. Shame on you.


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Citing Mormon texts which happen to be hosted on other websites, does NOT comprise "plagiarism". The definition of the word "PLAGIARISM" means to STEAL written work and to CALL IT ONE'S OWN. It makes no difference what the SOURCE is that SUPPLIES the Mormon text; the legitimate approach would be to review the Mormon text ITSELF. If the quotation is WRONG, then refute the quotation with the ORIGINAL WORK.
 
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"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. Neither Paul, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day-Saints never ran away from me yet."-LDS History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-409
 
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Juliann said:
It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements.

Do you know what plagiarism is? Stealing someone else's work and putting it under your name. Shame on you.
You must be blind. I see sources on all the quotes.
 
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"This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed by the First Presidency of the Church (Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund) when, in speaking of pre-existence and the origin of man, they said that "man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father," that man is the "offspring of celestial parentage," and that "all men and women are the similtude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity (Man: His Origin and Destiny, pp. 348-355). This glorious truth of celestial parentage, including specifically both a Father and a Mother, is heralded fourth by a song in one of the greatest of Latter-day Saint hymns, O My Father by Eliza R. Snow, written in 1843, during the lifetime of the Prophet, includes this teaching: In the heavens are parents single? No; the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason, truth eternal, Tells me I've a Mother there. When I leave this frail existence, When I lay this mortal by, Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high? Then, at length, when I've completed All you sent me fourth to do, With your mutual approbation, Let me come and dwell with you." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 516-517).
 
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Juliann said:
It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements.

Do you know what plagiarism is? Stealing someone else's work and putting it under your name. Shame on you.


All citations are credited..you do recognize that we are using someone else's work

Joseph Smith
Brigham Young and other "prophets"
And not making it up
 
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"Only through celestial marriage can one find the straight way, the narrow path. Eternal life cannot be had in any other way." (Spencer W. Kimball, Church News, 11/12/1977).

"Understand that that temple marriage is essential to your salvation and exaltation...To obtain a fulness of glory and exaltation in the celestial kingdom, one must enter into this holiest of ordinances." (To the Single Adult Brethren of the Church: An Address Given by President Ezra Taft Benson in the Priesthood Session of General Conference on 2 April 1988, pp. 3, 5)
 
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Juliann said:
It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements...
Actually, my citation was quite literally hand-typed, as I read it from an original copy of that particular issue of the Millennial Star, of which I provided you with a full, if not MLA-approved, citation for. And yes, I actually and honestly got it from out of my own basement, where it has been sitting for at least two decades after I acquired it. I do not have to plagiarize text from other sources, when I'm reading it directly from the original.

I therefore expect an earnest apology, an admission of bearing false witness against me, full repentence for the same, and a complete retraction or removal of your above statement from this thread.
 
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Juliann said:
It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements.

Do you know what plagiarism is? Stealing someone else's work and putting it under your name. Shame on you.
Plagiarize:
  1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
  2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).
Copying a quote without providing the reference is not plagiarism unless they are trying to make like they made it up themselves.
 
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Miles Peterson said:
Actually, my citation was quite literally hand-typed, as I read it from an original copy of that particular issue of the Millennial Star, of which I provided you with a full, if not MLA-approved, citation for. And yes, I actually and honestly got it from out of my own basement, where it has been sitting for at least two decades after I acquired it. I do not have to plagiarize text from other sources, when I'm reading it directly from the original.

I therefore expect an earnest apology, an admission of bearing false witness against me, full repentence for the same, and a complete retraction or removal of your above statement from this thread.
Done. I was wrong and I apologize. Now will you please explain to the others what is very, very wrong about what they are doing?

(How in the world can you other people get through high school and not know that you have to cite your secondary sources or it's plagiarism?? )

I'm still not sure what putting up hundred year old quotes from newspapers is supposed to mean...but knock yourself out!
 
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Ben_Hur said:
Plagiarize:
  1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
  2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).
Copying a quote without providing the reference is not plagiarism unless they are trying to make like they made it up themselves.
eehhhhhh.....can someone explain this to him? Hint: reread #2 real closely. Somebody found those "quotes" and it wasn't....you!

Put up the websites you are doing the cut & pastes from. Always this need to hide what you are doing. Weird.
 
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Juliann said:
It's always interesting to find a website filled with confessing "Christians" who blatantly and unapologetically plagiarize. :D


Not one source is given by anyone but Miles...yet you have put up "quotes" from diaries and other inaccessible texts that you could not possibly have sitting in your basements.

Do you know what plagiarism is? Stealing someone else's work and putting it under your name. Shame on you.
Hi there!

:wave:

I went back and looked, and I saw each line referenced.

There is no plagiarism there. Perhaps you need to read this reference site.

And BTW, you don't have to have the book in your basement to be able to quote from it...




http://www.indiana.edu/~wts/wts/plagiarism.html#wwwplagiarism

~malaka~
 
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Wrigley said:
It may be time just to post the quotes of famous mormon leaders.

Just make sure you don't use any "anti" sites.
P.S. And when you do....just make sure that you don't credit the guy who did all the work in running down your quotes for you. Or you could actually put a standard reference on the stuff you pilfered so it woudn't be so obvious....but then, that would mean having to do some work yourself.

Again...what are you guys so ashamed of? Why are you hiding your sources?
 
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Malaka said:
Hi there!

:wave:

I went back and looked, and I saw each line referenced.

There is no plagiarism there. Perhaps you need to read this reference site.

And BTW, you don't have to have the book in your basement to be able to quote from it...




http://www.indiana.edu/~wts/wts/plagiarism.html#wwwplagiarism

~malaka~
Oh, my gosh. You go to the trouble of finding a link...then don't even read it!

The World Wide Web has become a more popular source of information for student papers, and many questions have arisen about how to avoid plagiarizing these sources. In most cases, the same rules apply as to a printed source: when a writer must refer to ideas or quote from a WWW site, she must cite that source.




Evangelicals are the only religious group in America that exceeds the national average of those not completing the eighth grade or high school. At the same time only 24.2 percent of evangelicals achieve some university training, compared with 68 percent of non-Christians.

Look! Real citation below!

:clap: Os Guinness, Fit Bodies Fat Minds: Why Evangelicals Don’t Think and What to do About It. (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 1994) p 16.
 
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