Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[AV1611VET]

Homo Sapiens, which brings to the problem: where did the other hominids come from since they're all older than Homo Sapiens?

They came from plagues in Moses' time.

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Or is this more of your 'embedded history' schtick again?

You know as well as I do it isn't.

Keep digging that hole, warden.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

They came from plagues in Moses' time.

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Which is a completly post hoc and asinine view to take since it would mean the 'plagues' would hav to be of such power that they literally change an entire body structure.

You know as well as I do it isn't.

Keep digging that hole, warden.

Since all of the fossils of species of early hominids are found in rock older than the rocks that Homo Sapiens are found in, and the early hominids are in your view, Homo Sapiens affected by a plague that completely changed their morphology and body structure, then by simple process of eliminination in following your views, then they must be a case of your imaginary embedded history again. Becausee going by your 'logic', there's no other explanation for why Australopithicus and Homo Habilis are found BEFORE Homo Sapiens, not WITH Homo Sapiens.

Or the more likely explanation is that you're wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is a completely post hoc and asinine view to take since it would mean the 'plagues' would have to be of such power that they literally change an entire body structure.

How many times have I made this point, warden?

Is this the first time we've discussed this?

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Since all of the fossils of species of early hominids are found in rock older than the rocks that Homo Sapiens are found in, and the early hominids are in your view, Homo Sapiens affected by a plague that completely changed their morphology and body structure, then by simple process of eliminination in following your views, then they must be a case of your imaginary embedded history again.

Mamma mia.

Repeat after me:

Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE

NOT embedded history.

Embedded Age = Maturity WITHOUT HISTORY

(Is someone else posing under your name, because you're acting like you don't even know what I believe.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Or the more likely explanation is that you're wrong.

You're trying so hard to make me look wrong, you're making yourself look bad.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How many times have I made this point, warden?

Is this the first time we've discussed this?

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100%, this is the first time, to my knowledge, that we've discussed it.

Mamma mia.

Repeat after me:

Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE

NOT embedded history.

Embedded Age = Maturity WITHOUT HISTORY

(Is someone else posing under your name, because you're acting like you don't even know what I believe.)

To have history, you need age. If you embed age, you embed history. It's not hard logic.

You're trying so hard to make me look wrong, you're making yourself look bad.

You need to have an ego check.

 

[dlamberth]

How many times have I made this point, warden?

Is this the first time we've discussed this?

QV Post 595



Mamma mia.

Repeat after me:

Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE ... Embedded AGE

NOT embedded history.

Embedded Age = Maturity WITHOUT HISTORY

(Is someone else posing under your name, because you're acting like you don't even know what I believe.)

Back to a deceptive God, are we?

 

[Astrophile]

That's because, in academia's mind, there was a time when they weren't missing.

That's why I call macroevolution a game of connect-the-dots.

Just draw a line from Dot A to Dot B and make it look nice and smooth.

Except that anyone who knows a thing about evolution knows that that is not true at all. It's not a smooth progressive line. If you only ever pay attention to the grade school text books on it, you'll think it is, but it really isn't.

In one sense, there is a continuous evolutionary lineage, or connected sequence of dots, between species, in the same sense that there is a connected sequence between me and my 20-greats-grandmother. (Hint: you know where babies come from, don't you.) Obviously there cannot be a break in the line of descent from great-great-great ... grandparent to great-great-great ... grandchild.

However, evolution should not be pictured as a single lineage leading inevitably from primitive vertebrates to humans but as a branching tree, with each branch forming a continuous lineage and every modern species (including humans) marking the tip of one twig on a small branch of the tree.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In one sense, there is a continuous evolutionary lineage, or connected sequence of dots, between species, in the same sense that there is a connected sequence between me and my 20-greats-grandmother. (Hint: you know where babies come from, don't you.) Obviously there cannot be a break in the line of descent from great-great-great ... grandparent to great-great-great ... grandchild.

However, evolution should not be pictured as a single lineage leading inevitably from primitive vertebrates to humans but as a branching tree, with each branch forming a continuous lineage and every modern species (including humans) marking the tip of one twig on a small branch of the tree.

That's the thing I've noticed with many people who are against it talking about evolution. They alwaays think it's the top one, for every example of evolution shown.

 

[AV1611VET]

In one sense, there is a continuous evolutionary lineage, or connected sequence of dots, between species, in the same sense that there is a connected sequence between me and my 20-greats-grandmother. (Hint: you know where babies come from, don't you.) Obviously there cannot be a break in the line of descent from great-great-great ... grandparent to great-great-great ... grandchild.

In other words, microevolution?

However, evolution should not be pictured as a single lineage leading inevitably from primitive vertebrates to humans but as a branching tree, with each branch forming a continuous lineage and every modern species (including humans) marking the tip of one twig on a small branch of the tree.

In other words, macroevolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the thing I've noticed with many people who are against it talking about evolution. They always think it's the top one, for every example of evolution shown.

On evolution charts, such as the one I showed you with Richard Dawkins, there is no "connected sequence between me and my 20-greats-grandmother".

The dots will either represent a new species, or a new genus, or both.

Either way -- drawing a line between a genus and its various species (micro), or drawing a line between a genus and another genus (macro) -- it's still a game of connect-the-dots.

But drawing a line from me to my dad to my grandfather and so on for twenty generations (micro) is taking my point too far.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

On evolution charts, such as the one I showed you with Richard Dawkins, there is no "connected sequence between me and my 20-greats-grandmother".

The dots will either represent a new species, or a new genus, or both.

Either way -- drawing a line between a genus and its various species, or drawing a line between a genus and another genus -- it's still a game of connect-the-dots.

But drawing a line from me to my dad to my grandfather and so on for twenty generations is taking my point too far.

Why do you never bother to actually learn anything?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you never bother to actually learn anything?

I notice you don't either.

 

[dlamberth]

But drawing a line from me to my dad to my grandfather and so on for twenty generations is taking my point too far.

I see it as an example of connecting the dots visual of evolution as the your way different physically from your 20 generation ago grandfather.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I notice you don't either.

Medice, cura te ipsum.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see it as an example of connecting the dots visual of evolution as the your way different physically from your 20 generation ago grandfather.

What?

 

[AV1611VET]

Medice, cura te ipsum.

Tu primus.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Tu primus.

I do not see myself as anything or anyone greater than I am. To quote Labyrinth: "Me? No, I'm just a worm."

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not see myself as anything or anyone greater than I am. To quote Labyrinth: "Me? No, I'm just a worm."

Tu primus = you first.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Tu primus = you first.

Yes, I know what it means. My point still stands.

So again; medice, cura tu ipsum.

 

[Astrophile]

In other words, microevolution?



In other words, macroevolution?

Yes, to both questions.