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Including Jesus?I'm just saying if old world and new world monkeys are both monkeys so are we :>
hmmmm on reptiles, I think that one actually is fair to say were not reptiles, could be wrong, but the one evolutionary tree I saw had humans splitting off from reptiles, before they became reptiles, as in they were still more amphibian end of the spectrum or such.
Including Jesus?
Is this an inside joke or something?No. If he's dead he's an ex-monkey; if he's still alive he's clearly something else.
No, a straight reply to your straight question. Do you disagree?Is this an inside joke or something?
we would call it a monkey if we saw it today
Yes, I disagree.No, a straight reply to your straight question. Do you disagree?
Yes, I disagree.
I'm not an evolutionist.
But for those who are: is Jesus a monkey, or isn't He?
Have you got a photograph of one of them?
What about Heaven?When he was on Earth, he was one of the great apes, like the rest of us.
What about Heaven?
Doesn't He still have the nail scars (in human hands)?
If he's dead he's an ex-monkey. If he's alive he must be something else. You, I take it, believe he is alive, as would any Christian. Does that answer it?Yes, I disagree.
I'm not an evolutionist.
But for those who are: is Jesus a monkey, or isn't He?
Educate me. Doesn't incarnate mean embodied?The Second Person of the Trinity is not an embodied being, any more than the Trinity itself is.
Educate me. Doesn't incarnate mean embodied?
No.If he's dead he's an ex-monkey. If he's alive he must be something else. You, I take it, believe he is alive, as would any Christian. Does that answer it?
What's the issue with the "ape" classification? Unless we are only talking about ape as gibbon, chimp, gorilla and orangutan... but not humans?In colloquial language, we did evolve from monkeys. In scientific terms, there are no monkeys, either living or dead. To further cloud the issue, scientists often move freely from colloquial to scientific descriptions. However, if we stuck just to the scientific taxons, then not one of them would be called "monkey".
The real confusion springs from the fact that the colloquial terms predate the theory of evolution and do not reflect the tools that scientists currently use, namely cladistics. "Monkey" is a paraphyletic term, which is a big no-no in cladistics. Terms need to be monophyletic which means that the common ancestor and ALL descendants must be described by the same name. If we do stick with monkey, then humans are still monkeys according to cladistics.
Just to be clear, the same problem exists for other very common names such as reptile, mammal, and ape. These are also paraphyletic groups. I guess it all comes down to how much of a cladistics-Nazi you want to be.
Sure it did. The boys were raised to be productive and responsible members of society and instead they shot a bunch of people. Their upbringing did not accomplish the desired result. Something went wrong.I just don't understand educated people who scratch their heads and wonder, "What went wrong?"
Nothing went wrong.
Difficult to see why this is so ... difficult. You ask if Jesus is a monkey. I reply that it depends on whether he is alive or dead.
Mammal and ape are both Monophyletic clades. "Monkey" just means non-ape simian, and "reptile" just means non-bird sauropsids.In colloquial language, we did evolve from monkeys. In scientific terms, there are no monkeys, either living or dead. To further cloud the issue, scientists often move freely from colloquial to scientific descriptions. However, if we stuck just to the scientific taxons, then not one of them would be called "monkey".
The real confusion springs from the fact that the colloquial terms predate the theory of evolution and do not reflect the tools that scientists currently use, namely cladistics. "Monkey" is a paraphyletic term, which is a big no-no in cladistics. Terms need to be monophyletic which means that the common ancestor and ALL descendants must be described by the same name. If we do stick with monkey, then humans are still monkeys according to cladistics.
Just to be clear, the same problem exists for other very common names such as reptile, mammal, and ape. These are also paraphyletic groups. I guess it all comes down to how much of a cladistics-Nazi you want to be.
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