Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[AV1611VET]

I have proof, you have nothing.

He has about ten sockpuppets.

 

[MasonP]

I do not "believe", I know.

You know? when an atheists says they know there is no God you expect them to back up their claim but it seems you don't need to back up your claim, saying you know is all you need, good luck to you.

 

[RickG]

It's a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

So you prefer God as a deceiver?

 

[rjs330]

So you prefer God as a deceiver?

Let God be true and every man a liar. The truth is God isn't deceieving anyone. He said how he did it. Man is deceiving himself. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Man doesn't really understand, but he thinks he does. He thinks it's evidence and proof, but it's not. As the bible says "There is a way that seems right into a man but in the end it leads to destruction." Man is deceived by his own thoughts and ways. God hasn't deceived anyone. The bible tells us exactly what he did and how he did it and how long it took him. If man decides to reject what God said and believe his own thoughts and ideas over Gods revelation that's on man not God.

"Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and he will,direct your path."

Man leans on his own understanding rather than acknowledging God. It will only lead them astray.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I know lots of people who did, indeed, evolve from monkeys, aka a common ape-like ancestor.

And I also know some who did not.

Are they aliens?

 

[RickG]

Let God be true and every man a liar. The truth is God isn't deceieving anyone. He said how he did it. Man is deceiving himself. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Man doesn't really understand, but he thinks he does. He thinks it's evidence and proof, but it's not. As the bible says "There is a way that seems right into a man but in the end it leads to destruction." Man is deceived by his own thoughts and ways. God hasn't deceived anyone. The bible tells us exactly what he did and how he did it and how long it took him. If man decides to reject what God said and believe his own thoughts and ideas over Gods revelation that's on man not God.

"Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and he will,direct your path."

Man leans on his own understanding rather than acknowledging God. It will only lead them astray.

rjs330, there is no deception in the physical sciences. There is no way anyone can change that physical evidence laid down throughout the geologic column. I choose not to view the creation story as literal.

 

[bhsmte]

I know lots of people who did, indeed, evolve from monkeys, aka a common ape-like ancestor.

And I also know some who did not.

How can you tell the difference?

 

[Jimmy D]

Let God be true and every man a liar. The truth is God isn't deceieving anyone. He said how he did it. Man is deceiving himself. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Man doesn't really understand, but he thinks he does. He thinks it's evidence and proof, but it's not. As the bible says "There is a way that seems right into a man but in the end it leads to destruction." Man is deceived by his own thoughts and ways. God hasn't deceived anyone. The bible tells us exactly what he did and how he did it and how long it took him. If man decides to reject what God said and believe his own thoughts and ideas over Gods revelation that's on man not God.

"Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and he will,direct your path."

Man leans on his own understanding rather than acknowledging God. It will only lead them astray.

Of course you exclude yourself from these sweeping statements, there's no way you could be mistaken or decieved?

 

[ScottA]

There is a world of difference between "I am utterly convinced" and "I have proof".......




.

Perhaps.

I have proof.

 

[ScottA]

Of course you do otherwise you would not think as you do right? the "proof" is just not the kind you can share with others,
you have convinced yourself that you have something even though you have nothing, that's called the religious trap,
it happens to people ever day all over the world in every religion so you are not alone.

Wrong. You are not listening. I do not "think" or "believe", nor have I "convinced" myself - I know.

 

[ScottA]

You know? when an atheists says they know there is no God you expect them to back up their claim but it seems you don't need to back up your claim, saying you know is all you need, good luck to you.

You are under the wrong impression. It's like this:

An atheist is one who stands below the horizon and claims that there is nothing over the horizon even though they have never been or seen the other side. But I am one (and this does not describe all who call themselves Christian) who has been over the horizon and have seen the truth of what is beyond and therefore I know the whole truth.

 

[RickG]

You are under the wrong impression. It's like this:

An atheist is one who stands below the horizon and claims that there is nothing over the horizon even though they have never been or seen the other side. But I am one (and this does not describe all who call themselves Christian) who has been over the horizon and have seen the truth of what is beyond and therefore I know the whole truth.

There are good atheist, bad atheist, and in between atheist. None of that has anything to do with them not believing in a deity. Actually, the worst people (very hateful) I have ever run into are the fundalmentalist, who insist upon "their way or the highway".

 

[rjs330]

rjs330, there is no deception in the physical sciences. There is no way anyone can change that physical evidence laid down throughout the geologic column. I choose not to view the creation story as literal.

It's not deception in the sense that man intentionally in every case is lying. What it is is man making mistakes in their belief and ways of doing things. Sometimes it is deliberate deception while other times it's ignoring other evidence that contradicts what they want to believe. Sometimes it's belief that drives the findings.

 

[Speedwell]

It's not deception in the sense that man intentionally in every case is lying. What it is is man making mistakes in their belief and ways of doing things. Sometimes it is deliberate deception while other times it's ignoring other evidence that contradicts what they want to believe. Sometimes it's belief that drives the findings.

Could you elaborate on the "deliberate deception?"

 

[sfs]

It's not deception in the sense that man intentionally in every case is lying. What it is is man making mistakes in their belief and ways of doing things. Sometimes it is deliberate deception while other times it's ignoring other evidence that contradicts what they want to believe. Sometimes it's belief that drives the findings.

Of course, you have no way at all of knowing what drives scientists to their conclusions since you don't know them, don't talk to them and don't read their research. It's your conclusions that seem to be driven by belief, since you have no information to go on. (Leastwise you have given no indication that you have any information, either about evolutionary biologists or about the evidence for evolution.)

By the way, I see that you didn't respond to my questions about Biblical interpretation. Are you familiar with the scholars I asked you about?

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course, you have no way at all of knowing what drives scientists to their conclusions since you don't know them, don't talk to them and don't read their research.

Um ... Pluto got demoted by a rigged vote.

So, yes, in the case of Pluto, we do know what drove them to their conclusion: a vote.

And a rigged one at that.

 

[sfs]

Um ... Pluto got demoted by a rigged vote.

So, yes, in the case of Pluto, we do know what drove them to their conclusion: a vote.

And a rigged one at that.

Your off-topic tangent is off-topic.

 

[Aldebaran]

Your off-topic tangent is off-topic.

I guess saying that is one way to avoid the point of what he was saying.

 

[sfs]

I guess saying that is one way to avoid the point of what he was saying.

No, it's an attempt avoiding getting into a completely pointless discussion of something that says nothing about how scientists reach conclusions. "Astronomers voted to demote Pluto" is an event, not a scientific conclusion. "Pluto should be demoted" might be a scientific conclusion (or an aesthetic one, or any of several other kinds), but AV's post said nothing about how scientists reached that conclusion.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV's post said nothing about how scientists reached that conclusion.

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