Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[sfs]

What job? I guess I missed that.

My job studying evolution as a scientist.

 

[sfs]

Well I just discovered What you do. Nice! But my statement still stands. I think you've been taught by too many evolutionists that you've bought the assumptions. Makes sense. You have to go to schooling for what you do and I too make an assumption about your professors and text books. They all believe in evolution. Therefore teach it as fact.

As it happens, you're wrong again. I haven't taken a biology class since 9th grade (and I don't remember evolution even being mentioned then) -- my PhD is in physics.

More to the point, it doesn't matter what my education was: any scientist who's working in a field will very quickly figure out for himself what makes sense and what doesn't, what ideas explain data and what don't. I've seen enormous amounts of genetic data, and much of it makes no sense except in light of evolution; none of it make any sense in light of creationism. I accept evolution because it is overwhelmingly supported by the data.

You, on the other hand, have never read a scientific paper much less written one, have never analyzed a genome, have no idea what genetic data I'm talking about, and have absolutely no idea what I've studied and seen. And yet you feel qualified to make assumptions about why I accept evolution. Something stinks here, and it's not evolution.

Whereas God says differently. I believe God over evolution.

You believe what some people told you about what some other people wrote about what God did. And you'd rather believe that than look at God's actual creation. As Donald Trump would say. . . sad.

 

[RickG]

You are,a Christain. That's great! We then have a completely different discussion then which is,why you don't accept what the bible says about creation. The science of man contradicts scripture as you know.

You've got it backwards what the bible says about creation is not what God's creation shows. You are going to accept the writings of fallible men over what the unchangeable evidence of God's creation reveals?

 

[rjs330]

As it happens, you're wrong again. I haven't taken a biology class since 9th grade (and I don't remember evolution even being mentioned then) -- my PhD is in physics.

More to the point, it doesn't matter what my education was: any scientist who's working in a field will very quickly figure out for himself what makes sense and what doesn't, what ideas explain data and what don't. I've seen enormous amounts of genetic data, and much of it makes no sense except in light of evolution; none of it make any sense in light of creationism. I accept evolution because it is overwhelmingly supported by the data.

You, on the other hand, have never read a scientific paper much less written one, have never analyzed a genome, have no idea what genetic data I'm talking about, and have absolutely no idea what I've studied and seen. And yet you feel qualified to make assumptions about why I accept evolution. Something stinks here, and it's not evolution.


You believe what some people told you about what some other people wrote about what God did. And you'd rather believe that than look at God's actual creation. As Donald Trump would say. . . sad.

Somebody told me you were a geneticist. Sorry.

I have a degree in Biblical Literature. So know how to use proper hermeneutics and exegesis to discover what the bible says for myself. There are Christians who believe in evolution because of what mans science proclaims. I try and teach them about Gods word and how it defies evolution. Because it's not even hinted of in scripture. It just makes sense to believe God instead of man.

 

[bhsmte]

Somebody told me you were a geneticist. Sorry.

I have a degree in Biblical Literature. So know how to use proper hermeneutics and exegesis to discover what the bible says for myself. There are Christians who believe in evolution because of what mans science proclaims. I try and teach them about Gods word and how it defies evolution. Because it's not even hinted of in scripture. It just makes sense to believe God instead of man.

Do you deny all scientific theories because the bible doesn't mention them?

 

[rjs330]

Do you deny all scientific theories because the bible doesn't mention them?

I deny scientific theories that directly contradict the bible. There are lot of scientific theories that the bible doesn't mention at all. Creation is one it does.

 

[sfs]

I have a degree in Biblical Literature. So know how to use proper hermeneutics and exegesis to discover what the bible says for myself.

So how widely have you read in OT and hermeneutics? What's your take on John Walton's views on Genesis? Kenton Spark's views on Biblical authority? Peter Enns's views on the OT and evolution?

ETA: Or NT Wright's views on evolution?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

There are lot of scientific theories that the bible doesn't mention at all. Creation is one it does.

Creation is not a scientific theory and has been shown to not be a scientific theory in court. In the Dover case, the creation side (disguised as intelligent design)had to admit under oath that it does not qualify as a scientific theory.

 

[sfs]

Creation is not a scientific theory and has been shown to not be a scientific theory in court. In the Dover case, the creation side (disguised as intelligent design)had to admit under oath that it does not qualify as a scientific theory.

I would phrase it differently. Creation isn't a theory at all. It's a Christian (among others) belief that a creator is responsible for the entire physical world. Creationism is a (nonscientific) theory, or set of theories, about how the creator did it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which skull is a chimpanzee and which skull is fully human?

Mike Tyson's victims.

 

[Rodan6]

While there is much to learn about evolution and much debate about aspects of it, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever about this reality. Is God impressed with those who deny His works and plan? God has revealed much to the scientist and will reveal many more wonderful things (as they rigorously apply scientific methodology)--even though many of these scientists would deny Him. "To he who has, more shall be given". Religionists should rejoice at new discoveries. With each revelation, we learn more and more of God's plan for us and our universe. The pursuit of Truth is the will of our Father in Heaven. We would be wise to note how He has blessed the scientist with so much because they sincerely seek the truth. It is a great tragedy of our time that so many fear this pursuit.

 

[ScottA]

You've got it backwards what the bible says about creation is not what God's creation shows. You are going to accept the writings of fallible men over what the unchangeable evidence of God's creation reveals?

It's a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

 

[MasonP]

It's a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

You are in religions trap, the trap where you are prepared to believe only that which supports your religion,
you simply questioning your religion would give you palpitations and a profound feeling of guilt and trepidation.
Tell us that's a lie.

 

[ScottA]

You are in religions trap, the trap where you are prepared to believe only that which supports your religion,
you simply questioning your religion would give you palpitations and a profound feeling of guilt and trepidation.
Tell us that's a lie.

I do not "believe", I know. You are the one doing the questioning, not me. I have proof, you have nothing.

 

[ScottA]

While there is much to learn about evolution and much debate about aspects of it, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever about this reality. Is God impressed with those who deny His works and plan? God has revealed much to the scientist and will reveal many more wonderful things (as they rigorously apply scientific methodology)--even though many of these scientists would deny Him. "To he who has, more shall be given". Religionists should rejoice at new discoveries. With each revelation, we learn more and more of God's plan for us and our universe. The pursuit of Truth is the will of our Father in Heaven. We would be wise to note how He has blessed the scientist with so much because they sincerely seek the truth. It is a great tragedy of our time that so many fear this pursuit.

The only methodology that is real regarding the universe...is His: created, finite, and passing away. But that truth, science hates. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

 

[SteveB28]

I do not "believe", I know. You are the one doing the questioning, not me. I have proof, you have nothing.

There is a world of difference between "I am utterly convinced" and "I have proof".......




.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

There is a world of difference between "I am utterly convinced" and "I have proof".......

If someone really had proof, they'd be eager to demonstrate it to all of us. But...here we are.
Good to see you on the science forum, Steve. I hope all is well.

 

[Catherineanne]

In colloquial language, we did evolve from monkeys.

I know lots of people who did, indeed, evolve from monkeys, aka a common ape-like ancestor.

And I also know some who did not.

 

[MasonP]

I do not "believe", I know. You are the one doing the questioning, not me. I have proof, you have nothing.

Of course you do otherwise you would not think as you do right? the "proof" is just not the kind you can share with others,
you have convinced yourself that you have something even though you have nothing, that's called the religious trap,
it happens to people ever day all over the world in every religion so you are not alone.

 

[SteveB28]

If someone really had proof, they'd be eager to demonstrate it to all of us. But...here we are.
Good to see you on the science forum, Steve. I hope all is well.

Very well, thank you for your kindness.