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Christian" by itself is a meaningless label. The only thing I can know when someone says they are "Christian" is that they belong to some wide and diverse religion known as "Christianity". And there is no real agreement as to what living "like a Christian" even looks like, but here in the Egalitarian forum, women being kept at home and shrouded "modestly" from head to toe and popping out babies for her salvation and for the glory of God isn't it.
Take away Christianity and can you from philosophy or any other set of ideas justify your beliefs about equality and the roles of men and women?
It is Christianity that supports equality, no other philosophical idea does.
It is Christianity that places value on both men and women yet also assigned separate roles to them.
Take away Christianity and can you from philosophy or any other set of ideas justify your beliefs about equality and the roles of men and women?
Retired mechanical engineer here. Back in the dark ages, yes, women were few and far between in STEM fields. However, I would encourage those of you who don't think women should be in STEM fields to watch the movie or read the book Hidden Figures. Rooms full of FEMALE mathematicians, and African-American to boot!
Physically I currently couldn't hold a candle to a man's strength...but that's not a measure of equality. I'm short, middle-aged, on the fluffy side. When it came to being the breadwinner...yup, that was me. Did it matter? Not one whit! That's an ego/pride thing. I had a true partnership with my late husband.
I think that many people are not willing to study what feminism is and isn't. They go by the rubbish they hear somewhere else and come to erroneous conclusions.
To the young lady who was reading "The Transformed Wife" blog...stay away from Lori Alexander as much as possible. She is a liar and a hypocrite. I can document it all between her old blog "Always Learning" and her current one. She fawns over the MRA types. Feel free to PM me for the evidence.
Which form of Christianity are we taking away? Do not mistake the religion and institution of of Christianity in its myriad forms, many of which have been extraordinarily harmful to women, with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Every post you've made in this thread mentions both equality and something you call "roles" of men and women. Replies to you pointing out the inherent discrepancy between these so-called "roles" and equality have gone unanswered.
Why don't you tell us about these "roles" to which you refer?
As for roles the Bible teaches the traditional role of men as provided and leader and women as child rearers and supporters of the man.
That does not make her inferior, nor does it make him superior.
Hello, I'm somewhat new to ChristianForums, mostly in that I haven't posted much until recently. I've been viewing this forum frequently in the past few months because I'm a Christian egalitarian. But I've been wondering about whether or not I should go back to identifying as a feminist as well as an egalitarian.
I grew up in a fairly conservative family with mostly egalitarian, (e.g. women can speak their minds, women can go into whatever careers they want, college and work is good for women, mothers can work inside or outside the home, whichever one they think will be best for them) but a little complementarian as well (e.g. churches shouldn't have female pastors, the husband is the de-facto leader of the household, even though the husband and wife are mostly equal in decision-making).
I thought like this when I was younger, then when I was a teenager, I got into third-wave feminism in the early 2010s. But when I was 17-18 years old, I started becoming more conservative again, though I still considered myself a feminist. Then, I started getting into the anti-SJW movement and GamerGate and I started to feel like feminism was being hijacked by secular liberalism, Tumblr, and the Social Justice movement, so I started distancing myself from the feminist movement. I also wanted to support men's issues like the suicide and homelessness rates, divorce and custody inequality, and double standards against men. However, during an episode of scrupulosity OCD at 22 years old, I encountered The Transformed Wife's blog and had a big OCD episode where I was fearing that I possibly wasn't being a good Christian woman because I was going to be a grad student and I wanted have both a career and husband, but no children. Then I started browsing more and more, been reading more on this forum, and now feel secure in my faith and am an egalitarian. Should I identify as a feminist again? Should I just stay an egalitarian? I still kind of have hope for the feminist movement and there are some things I agree with. I just don't like that the movement has embraced some very worldly and sinful things.
Why must labels be study on everything?
As you say the feminist movement is adopting some dodgy ideas.
As a Christian one has plenty of ammunition to argue for justice for everybody.
It is Christianity that supports equality, no other philosophical idea does.
It is Christianity that places value on both men and women yet also assigned separate roles to them.
Stats show that where people follow these roles they report greater levels of mental health, happiness and contentment
May I suggest forget label but seek to live as a Christian.
I agree that we will never achieve complete equality, just as we will never achieve world peace or any other kind of perfection on this earth. And I also agree that men and women do have things that they are better at and like more as a whole. For example, men are more likely to do jobs involving manual labor, combat, guarding, etc. than women, while women are more likely to do jobs involving fashion, child care, etc.
While there are many feminists I am sure that don't want to do those things, including feminists who don't want women to have to register for the draft (frankly, I don't think men or women should have to fight in a war that they don't believe in or that may be mostly political, e.g. Vietnam), I do know that women, and feminists, aren't a monolith. Three women who I went to school with went into the military after high school. I also know women who are in more traditionally feminine occupations. I cannot speak for all egalitarians and feminists, but gender equality to me is equal opportunities, not equal results. I don't really care what men and women do for a living, I just believe it should be something that makes them happy, something in which they have sufficient financial security (whether it comes from a paycheck or a working spouse), and something for which they are well qualified.
I don't think women should be forced into certain occupations just for the sake of social progress, but I do think women should have a choice, and even encouragement. I've heard so many stories about women who, from girlhood, wanted to be scientists, mathematicians, astronomers, astronauts, etc., but were shot down and discouraged by those around them, and that makes me sad.
From my perspective, the definition of feminism has changed. It used to be about women having the choice to go to work or stay at home. Now it's about supporting, promoting, and/or engaging in two particular sins.
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