Jughead - Lost 5:3

[LovesToRead]

Just wondering....did anyone else have any thoughts on my post on the show?

 

[sf49erfan]

I think Richard came on the Blackrock. I think he may be unable to age for some reason.

 

[BenAdam]

My thoughts about 1/2 way through the show were....well, looks like this one is going to be another one of those shows that we saw in the past, in that it's not going to move the story forward very much, but rather just give us a bit more detail that we need, but nothing very exciting. We were even talking about it at the commercial break 1/2 way through.

Boy, was I wrong!

So, here's the things I'm thinking

Most importantly...I think we've found out why the "6" need to go back. I think each of them is the constant of someone still on the island. And that would be why those left behind would die, if they didn't come back. If that's the case, does that mean Desmond actually has to come back for the sake of Daniel?

I disagree about the constant thingy. Don't overplay it, I think there may be another reason, perhaps the fact they left right as the island was moving introduced some instablity or something.

A note about constants --- am I remembering this right --- didn't you have to see your constant in each time period you jumped to? Isn't that what we saw last year with Daniel and Desmond? If so...well, now what? Daniel, John, Sawyer, Juliette, Charlotte, and Miles have already jumped to 1954...I guess the other 6 will have to jump back that far too? Or not? (and who's going to be the constant for folks like Bernard and Rose...and where are those other Losties now, anyway?)

Desmond didn't see Penny in the "now" he just spoke to her on the phone.

Moving on. I'm assuming Desmond somehow goes to LA. Well, isn't that convenient. Everyone is there now, including the man (Ben) who has threatened the life of Pen. How is she going to be protected, or is she? Will she die and Des also go back to the island to exact revenge on Ben? The list of those who want to kill Ben is potentially growing longer every week. So far, we've got Widmore, Sun...and I hope I'm wrong...Desmond could be joining them.

That would suck, I don't want to see anything happen to Penny.

Oh....a big AWWWW moment was seeing the baby born! (I'm expecting the Burgers to have loved that scene more than any of us...it made me think of them for sure)

And...on the subject of the baby...the second biggest AWWW moment was when we find out the baby has been named after Charlie! What a guy Desmond is!

RIP Charlie Pace

About John...and why he believes he needs to leave the island...which he has sworn never to leave. Well, first, he's been told he needs to and seems very duty bond. But I'm thinking he keeps seeing bad things happen, like what happened to Charlotte...or maybe seeing what happened to her is plenty of motivation for him, since he already is such a strong believer in the island's powers.

I think it is going to get much worse. Recall Claire's look last season telling Kate to not bring Aaron back.

So, they are sitting on an H bomb...that was exciting news.

My husband is thinking that Pen is not really Widmore's daughter, just as Alex was not really Ben's daughter. He thinks Ben is the reason that Widmore ultimately ended up off the island. And he said....Widmore IS AN OTHER!

Interesting theory

One more thing...that was wild going to Oxford, seeing the old lab with the picture of Daniel and that woman. And then seeing the woman...Just what happened to her, anyway? I'm sure we're going to see much more of her backstory. And to find out that Daniel was funded by Widmore! Yikes to that one too.

I'm sure there's much more to talk about. Can't wait for the rest of you to post.

Interesting finding out what a total jerk Daniel has been in the past, a point he alludes to while talking to Ellie.

 

[sf49erfan]

If everybody has to go back what about Walt?

 

[snoochface]

So... was it just me, or did anyone else notice that "young" Widmore was lacking a Scottish accent.

Or perhaps, Widmore emigrated to Scotland after leaving the island, but is American by birth?

Widmore has a British accent doesn't he? Young Widmore did - he said something about "this sodding island" or something to that effect, almost sounding cockney to me. Is he supposed to have a Scottish accent?

If everybody has to go back what about Walt?

In one of the "Getting Lost" videos that TV Guide is posting, I think Darlton addressed this.

Spoiler: walt

There might be "repercussions" of some kind if Walt and the others who left (Sun's baby, Lapidus, etc.) don't come back.

 

[snoochface]

Just wondering....did anyone else have any thoughts on my post on the show?

I've had it in my multi-quote queue for a while. The episode was so confusing to me, that I needed to watch it again last night to pick up on so much of what just wasn't sinking in to me the first time around.

Most importantly...I think we've found out why the "6" need to go back. I think each of them is the constant of someone still on the island. And that would be why those left behind would die, if they didn't come back. If that's the case, does that mean Desmond actually has to come back for the sake of Daniel?

I'm not sure about that. Of the people left on the island, only Charlotte seems to be suffering from any temporal displacement sickness. Miles isn't, and as far as I know he doesn't have a constant, or even know that he needs one.

I'm thinking - this week, subject to change week to week, heh - that they need to come back because Ben is going to try to move the island back to a time when he is still in charge of the Others and Alex is alive, and he needs everyone who was on the island at the time to be there when he does it. I think that might be why he's taking such care with Locke's body.

A note about constants --- am I remembering this right --- didn't you have to see your constant in each time period you jumped to? Isn't that what we saw last year with Daniel and Desmond? If so...well, now what? Daniel, John, Sawyer, Juliette, Charlotte, and Miles have already jumped to 1954...I guess the other 6 will have to jump back that far too? Or not? (and who's going to be the constant for folks like Bernard and Rose...and where are those other Losties now, anyway?)

Yeah that's why I'm not understanding really what's going on with all the time skipping. Charlotte is the only one affected so far, and there's no reason that I can see for it. They've skipped more than just to 1954 so far, and in at least two of the shifts they didn't see anyone who could have acted as their constant -- certainly not in any way that everyone but Charlotte did.

Moving on. I'm assuming Desmond somehow goes to LA. Well, isn't that convenient. Everyone is there now, including the man (Ben) who has threatened the life of Pen. How is she going to be protected, or is she? Will she die and Des also go back to the island to exact revenge on Ben? The list of those who want to kill Ben is potentially growing longer every week. So far, we've got Widmore, Sun...and I hope I'm wrong...Desmond could be joining them.

This would be heartbreaking, but unfortunately I think Penny is an expendable character. Ben killing her would exact revenge for Widmore killing Alex, and it would give Desmond motivation to do... whatever he's going to end up doing.

So as much as I don't want to see it happen, I'm kind of preparing for it.

About John...and why he believes he needs to leave the island...which he has sworn never to leave. Well, first, he's been told he needs to and seems very duty bond. But I'm thinking he keeps seeing bad things happen, like what happened to Charlotte...or maybe seeing what happened to her is plenty of motivation for him, since he already is such a strong believer in the island's powers.

He's so malleable. He's so willing to take direction from anyone, just so he can have something to believe in. First the island, then Jacob, now Richard -- he's more of a loose cannon in all this than anyone. I think he's going to end up being responsible for a lot of island deaths.

My husband is thinking that Pen is not really Widmore's daughter, just as Alex was not really Ben's daughter. He thinks Ben is the reason that Widmore ultimately ended up off the island. And he said....Widmore IS AN OTHER!

Well he's an Other. He speaks Latin and was taking orders from Richard. Penny not being his daughter is an intriguing thought. I wonder if Penny was conceived on the island, and Widmore took her and her mother off the island because he knew the mother (and Penny) would die if they stayed on the island while she was pregnant.

One more thing...that was wild going to Oxford, seeing the old lab with the picture of Daniel and that woman. And then seeing the woman...Just what happened to her, anyway? I'm sure we're going to see much more of her backstory. And to find out that Daniel was funded by Widmore! Yikes to that one too.

I don't think we're going to see her backstory, that was addressed in the last Getting Lost video. (I hope that's not a spoiler... ) But, what I think is happening with her is that she's skipping around in time in her mind. Sometimes she thinks she is 3 years old and wants her dolly, sometimes she is talking to her father who died 5 years ago. Daniel was doing experiments on the rats, trying to make them go back in time in their minds. I think he did that experiment on her, and it went horribly wrong.

 

[latteda]

I don't think Widmore's ever had a Scottish accent.

I was thinking that when Dan told Charlotte that he loved her, that maybe he would become her constant. Or perhaps that was his intention. Who knows.

Looks like Mrs. Hawking is indeed Dan's mom, and I agree with the theory that Ellie is probably her as a young woman.

Maybe it's just because I like Dan, but I kind of wonder if he did indeed abandon Theresa or if he had a reason for leaving that would ultimately be used to help her.

 

[snoochface]

Maybe it's just because I like Dan, but I kind of wonder if he did indeed abandon Theresa or if he had a reason for leaving that would ultimately be used to help her.

That's what I think too. I like Daniel, I think he has good intentions overall.

 

[sf49erfan]

Why doesn't Dan take off his tie? He looks ridiculous running around the jungle with a tie on!

 

[LovesToRead]

I disagree about the constant thingy. Don't overplay it, I think there may be another reason, perhaps the fact they left right as the island was moving introduced some instablity or something.

Desmond didn't see Penny in the "now" he just spoke to her on the phone.


That would suck, I don't want to see anything happen to Penny.


RIP Charlie Pace


I think it is going to get much worse. Recall Claire's look last season telling Kate to not bring Aaron back.


Interesting theory

Interesting finding out what a total jerk Daniel has been in the past, a point he alludes to while talking to Ellie.

(I'm not sure how to quote that way you did, so I answered your points all together...)

- Yep, I certainly can be wrong about the constant, but it made sense to me as a good possibility. Yes, their leaving certainly could have introduced instability, especially since there's such an emphasis from SO many (Ben, Richard, John) about leaving the island being a bad idea.

- Yes, Des and Penny did speak on the phone, true. I forgot about them. I guess I was thinking Des and Daniel were constants to each other...yours makes way more sense.

- Yes, I would be very sad to see anything happen to Des and Pen.

-Yes RIP Charlie.

-Yes, Lost always seems to get waaaay worse.

- Someone else asked...why would Pen not be Widmore's daughter....my husband's theory is ...because we know Ben's daughter is not his own, Widmore's situation would mirror Ben's. I don't really get it...but just sharing his theory.

- Yes, Daniel, as with all the rest...has much more to him than meets the eye.

And he doesn't age either!!!

 

[Nitron]

I thought we'd seen a picture of Dan with his mother? When des was snooping around his lab.

 

[frenzy]

I thought we'd seen a picture of Dan with his mother? When des was snooping around his lab.

That was Theresa, the bedridden girl.

 

[snoochface]

I thought we'd seen a picture of Dan with his mother? When des was snooping around his lab.

They never said it was his mother - the assumption is that it is not, since after Desmond went to see her, he went to see Widmore to ask where Daniel's mother was.

 

[Sojourner1]

Anyone know what Charlotte meant when she said she was looking for where she was born? I think this must be a significant clue to why she is the only one affected right now with the mysterious illness.

 

[snoochface]

Anyone know what Charlotte meant when she said she was looking for where she was born? I think this must be a significant clue to why she is the only one affected right now with the mysterious illness.

That's a great point.

 

[Sojourner1]

Miles also mentioned something to Charlotte about her returning to the island.

 

[snoochface]

Miles also mentioned something to Charlotte about her returning to the island.

Yeah that's always intrigued me. He said in last season's finale how surprised he was that she wanted to get back to the freighter considering how hard she tried to get back to the island. She asked him, "What do you mean?" and he got a very mock-mysterious look on his face and said, "Yeah... what do I mean?"

 

[Nitron]

Just rewatched it:

-Soundtrack is bathtub &*($% hooch all through the episode... gives the right feelings at the right moments.
-Lens effects when the claymores go off? Never thought I'd see that on lost
-Same goes for the first person view when Ellie was aiming at Des
-Where are Rose and Bernard?
-Miles' ghost hunting sequence is keeeewl
-Could Dan have been partly "erased" from time after going to the island? Or was Oxford trying to hide whatever he did?
-I was 98% sure the photo was Dan with his mum, but it could also be Teresa.
-I LOVE when Widmore disses Locke... so ironic
-Could the Desmond sections be a flashback? I have a feeling Ben sent Sayid to kill Penny, which is what caused him to stop working as a hitman.
-Charlotte is definitely a goner. Can't believe I wanted to kill her off... be careful what you wish for.
-My theory is that they went to the time of Rousseau's science expedition and that Charlotte was born then. Since someone can't meet themselves, Charlotte is killed due to course correction.
-If the above it true, maybe we'll get to see Dan shooting baby Charlotte. Should be excellent.

 

[snoochface]

-Lens effects when the claymores go off? Never thought I'd see that on lost

I found that really distracting. It was the first time I can remember being forcibly pulled out of the world of Lost as I was watching, and reminded that I'm watching a television production. Didn't like it.

I have a feeling Ben sent Sayid to kill Penny, which is what caused him to stop working as a hitman.

Interesting thought!

-My theory is that they went to the time of Rousseau's science expedition and that Charlotte was born then. Since someone can't meet themselves, Charlotte is killed due to course correction.

I don't think the timing is right. They were back 50 years in time, and Russeau's expedition was 16-17 years back.

I think what's happening to Charlotte is the same time displacement sickness that the freighter's doctor got. But the thought of the course correction to stop them from seeing themselves is really intriguing. I wonder if that's when the island skips again, when there's a chance of that happening.

 

[Nitron]

I don't think the timing is right. They were back 50 years in time, and Russeau's expedition was 16-17 years back.

I mean the time jump at the end of the episode, when she collapses.