This article hit my news feed today:
Family of boy left in vegetative state after car crash gave him a full life for 31 years | News.com.au
31 years in a vegetative state. I know this boy wasn't dead - but he sure didn't have a quality of life.
And yet that decision was made for her by the State of Texas. And we heard about the condition of the fetus who suffered horribly due to the measures taken after oxygen-dep effected them.
Yes, but the hospital was using Texas State law as a vehicle to do this. And of course there's the profit in keeping her on life support.It was actually made by the hospital. Even the normally insane Texas politicians were urging the hospital to just let that poor woman die.
This article hit my news feed today:
Family of boy left in vegetative state after car crash gave him a full life for 31 years | News.com.au
31 years in a vegetative state. I know this boy wasn't dead - but he sure didn't have a quality of life.
Sometimes the selfishness people exhibit delivers the message they'd rather have someone present in their life than living a quality dignified life. It's fear of death I think that compels such measures.
His family is amazing! That's love, right there.
This article hit my news feed today:
Family of boy left in vegetative state after car crash gave him a full life for 31 years | News.com.au
31 years in a vegetative state. I know this boy wasn't dead - but he sure didn't have a quality of life.
You're right. A person doesn't belong to the state, but the responsibility to protect the innocent from harm does belong to the state.
If there hadn't been a baby involved, then I would have acknowledged the woman's right to die. But I don't believe she or the family had the right to condemn the baby.
The judge certainly didn't have the right to condemn the baby and the fact that he thinks he did should be extremely disturbing to the Left.
The woman is alive. If she were dead the baby would be dead. If stopping the life support to let the woman die is the goal of the judge then fine. But killing the woman and the baby who has never even seen the light of day is wrong. Letting someone die a natural death and killing someone is sometimes a fine line.
There's a big difference between vegetative state and brain dead.
In a vegetative state, the brain is still alive and working at a minimal level. It's unlikely to ever recover, but not dead.
Brain dead is just that, the brain itself is physically deceased, as is the body. If you pull any random body out of the morgue and hook it up to a life support machine, you can make it breathe, and it's heart beat again... but the body is still dead, and it's never coming back.
The case with the lady in Texas is the latter situation... she is a dead body that's been hooked up to a machine for weeks. It's absolutely grotesque.
100 years ago...50 years ago...what would have happened? Really really think about this!!
A pregnant female...brain dead...so for another words... dead...what would have happened to the baby?? Would you have considered God a murderer as we didn't have the technology that we have today? Did God condemn all those baby's who died when their mothers died back then?
So then natural living is being hooked up to machines that breath for a person?
Give him a needle like you would your beloved suffering pet and let him find peace. Just as would happen ideally if someone who is terminal wanted peace rather than suffering and loss of dignity.Yes, let's kill people who can't move. How thoughtful of you.
You'd have them starve him to death? Exactly how were they supposed to let him die?
What should make those who feel compassion for suffering sick is those who argue tissue has no right to mercy because a physical presence that isn't conscious nor physiologically functioning but is pumped up by machines is a sign of life!I wish others could see that. This person was alive but he apparently doesn't fit others' definitions. It makes me sick, actually, that people actually talk about how this kid should've been dead. :o
She was not brought back to life - she was still dead with mechanical heart, ventilation and nourishment.Actually I heard a baby can live a few minutes in a dead person. So they need to take the baby out right away. So this woman died and they was brought back to life, but is still brain dead.
Give him a needle like you would your beloved suffering pet and let him find peace. Just as would happen ideally if someone who is terminal wanted peace rather than suffering and loss of dignity.
You're not even thoughtful in how you address people who offer an opinion you disagree with. And you think to condemn someone as being thoughtless when they think of mercy, compassion, and peace in letting a boy who is tissue sustained by artificial means and forced to exist rather than live a vibrant life go is worthy of ridicule?
Someone who believes true love would let this boy go home to God? Rather than live in a chronic persistent vegetative state while his poor body suffers the effects and his mind has no awareness of that nor life itself?
Do you know what a vegetative state is? What the patient endures?
Karen Ann Quinlan was one of the most well known persistent vegetative state patients in America. She spent nearly a decade in a hospital bed and died of pneumonia nearly 10 years after she collapsed from a drug and alcohol overdose that caused her to stop breathing for prolonged periods at least twice before paramedics arrived.
Quality of life isn't being flesh and bone with no consciousness whatever and machines doing the living for them. Pumping air, clearing bowels and bladder.
Quality of life is demonstrated by being a living active participant in the living of it. Rather than a body that is present in the flesh while the mind is completely dead.
Just as long as the shape of the son is in the room and able to be wheeled around that's all that matters. Keep him in the tomb that is his own body because we want him here!
Even though he's not the illusion medical science provides is good enough. Because mercy and peace are wrong!When he died 30 years ago for all intents and purposes it's OK to keep what's left pumped and filled and evacuated by machines! When there is no consciousness there the shell is all that matters!
That is selfish. And that is sickening.
Then those people have a convoluted notion of what natural means.Actually, for some people, YES, it is.
Introducing extraneous hypothetical's is not helpful here.And where do you draw the line? What if someone broke their leg but didn't want to deal with the pain?
You are clearly ignorant of what a persistent vegetative state is. It is a fate worse than death. When you are all about someone being forced to remain in this world so that they don't die as is God's will, you're selfish and attempting to play God.I haven't condemned anyone here. It's people like you who want to kill off someone because their quality of life doesn't match yours.
Nor shall derision prove powerful against those who listen to humanity or those who follow in the footsteps of divinity, for they shall live forever. Forever.Since you can read minds, I guess you're a genius. Just make sure you stay away from mine...I'd much prefer to be alive then murdered by someone who believed they were being "merciful"
You have no idea what a vegetative state is.You have no idea what was going on in his mind.
That's what I thought.And?
Derision doesn't become a preachers wife.Again, like I said, you apparently can read minds.
Well then you're blind. He's a person in a vegetative state who is suffering immensely while hooked up to machines.I see a person when I see someone like the boy mentioned above. I don't see a person hooked up to machines.
Read something about vegetative states. Education is a great blessing.How do you know when someone is "actively participating"? Is it just a physical definition for you?
Fascinating that you condemn this young man to further suffering based on what you don't see.And you talk about my responses to someone who I disagree with? That's a mighty big judgment you're making without knowing ANYTHING other than what you SEE.
Educate yourself.The fact that you view the body as a tomb reveals a lot about you.
There is no cognitive function.He didn't die.
Clearly so is mercy!No, what's selfish and sickening is the way life is viewed these days. Pretty soon people will be clamoring to die because they don't own the right kind of car or because that boy down the street doesn't like them...oh, wait, that second thing already happens. And why? Because life is defined in all the wrong aspects.
And where do you draw the line? What if someone broke their leg but didn't want to deal with the pain?
I haven't condemned anyone here. It's people like you who want to kill off someone because their quality of life doesn't match yours.
Since you can read minds, I guess you're a genius. Just make sure you stay away from mine...I'd much prefer to be alive then murdered by someone who believed they were being "merciful"
You have no idea what was going on in his mind.
Again, like I said, you apparently can read minds.
I see a person when I see someone like the boy mentioned above. I don't see a person hooked up to machines.
And you talk about my responses to someone who I disagree with? That's a mighty big judgment you're making without knowing ANYTHING other than what you SEE.
The fact that you view the body as a tomb reveals a lot about you.
No, what's selfish and sickening is the way life is viewed these days. Pretty soon people will be clamoring to die because they don't own the right kind of car or because that boy down the street doesn't like them...oh, wait, that second thing already happens. And why? Because life is defined in all the wrong aspects.
Life is about experiencing life. Seeing the world, embracing your passions, meeting other people and all the other wonderful things we all get to experience.
and for each person that is different.
What you may think is a great life may not be a great life for someone else and vice versa.
For those who keep telling me to educate myself, I know more about vegetative states than I care to admit, and it's a big reason why I have the beliefs I do. I've lost more than a few relatives over the years, and I've had relatives who are still living because of "unnatural" means and I've seen both sides of the pendulum.
If you want to kill yourself, by all means, go ahead and do it. But don't sit there and pretend like it's the "right" and "mercificul" thing to do.
I'm done here.
If you aren't granted rights over your own life, then how free is the society that you're living in?
Hey, if someone says in advance if something ever happens to them and they become permanently vegetative, and they want to be hooked up to a machine for decades.... so be it.
If someone does not want to go through with, or exist like that, they should also be granted that right.
What you're advocating is removing that right from people and forcing them to endure something they'd never wish for themselves.
If you aren't granted rights over your own life, then how free is the society that you're living in?
Hey, if someone says in advance if something ever happens to them and they become permanently vegetative, and they want to be hooked up to a machine for decades.... so be it.
If someone does not want to go through with, or exist like that, they should also be granted that right.
What you're advocating is removing that right from people and forcing them to endure something they'd never wish for themselves.
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