Judge Everybody

[Jet Black]

Funny how in conversations here, the Christians always seem to slide back to homosexuals and homosexuality, regardless of the initial topic. It's almost like they're obsessed!

let's start a thread on the merits of gorgonzola over edam, and see how long it takes

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Funny how in conversations here, the Christians always seem to slide back to homosexuals and homosexuality, regardless of the initial topic. It's almost like they're obsessed!

No No NO! It is Us who are obsessed with Kitty, didn't you hear?

 

[kdet]

Testing is judging between right and wrong. The devil has successfully removed our ability to measure truth by convincing God’s people that it is wrong to judge. It is not judging that is wrong, it is the standard by which we judge and the motives behind our judgment. Jesus gave the standard for judging. Look at these two passages:

John 7

24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."



John 12

48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him -- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.



http://www.exchangedlife.com/sschool/topical/wf/judging.htm

 

[Plan 9]

let's start a thread on the merits of gorgonzola over edam, and see how long it takes

Two days? Three days? I really find this phenomenon bizarre. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to miss our fifteen year long "satanic panic" attack, which is finally subsiding. Even though it did a lot of harm to people who believed it, still, there there were no real Satanists to speak of. Perhaps people need a central focus for their various and sundry fears?

 

[Plan 9]

No No NO! It is Us who are obsessed with Kitty, didn't you hear?

oops. I must have ignored that post!

 

[Jet Black]

maybe.... I forget which thread it was now... someone asked why we were talking about homosexuality, and I said, jokingly that all threads here descent into homosexuality debates after five pages. anyway, I checked up, and lo and behold, the fifth page, and homosexuality was introduced. heh.

 

[kdet]

We see that Jesus warns us to judge righteously. If we don’t judge the right way, then we should not judge at all. If we judge the wrong way, with improper motives, then we can expect to be judged back. If we can’t judge the right way, then don’t judge at all. If we can judge for right reasons, then go ahead and do so. There is nothing wrong with right judging.



http://www.photocats.net/steve/articles/judging.htm

 

[feral]

let's start a thread on the merits of gorgonzola over edam, and see how long it takes

gorgonzola, with it's obvious link to gorgons such as medusa, is clearly satanic. just the idea of eating moldy blue foods is satanic. i have no doubt in my mind that the promoters of the gay agenda encourage the consumption of gorgonzola cheese, not doubt with figs http://www.godhatesfigs.com . jesus calls for edam.

 

[Plan 9]

Testing is judging between right and wrong. The devil has successfully removed our ability to measure truth by convincing God’s people that it is wrong to judge.

In your opening post, you quoted Charles, who said the opposite. Please retract that quote if you have changed your mind and no longer believe Charles to be correct.

 

[Stormy]

Sweetkitty: Do you think judging also includes condemning, and throwing stone after stone?

 

[feral]

The issue I have with judging is not in assessing the situation. I don't mind someone reviewing my posts and then judging me to be someone who supports gay rights. The problem is judging someone as inferior or wrong based on doing something you dislike, and using your position as judge to assert superiority over the situation. Also, judging the situation or action (such as homosexuality, that being a big thing) is different then judging the person. That's forgotten in many situations.
As far as a post over people being evil, I don't think anyone can be 100% evil. They can do terrible, dangerous things, they can commit a series of shocking crimes. Judging them on the basis of the crime is fine, asserting that they are wicked because of the action, with no positive qualities whatsoever is dangerous. Especially in the case of judging the sin not the sinner, so many people claim to hate only the sinful action, but then turn around posting generalizing statements such as "those homosexuals". Judging the action would not allow for reducing the people to one aspect of their sex lives.

 

[Yitzchak]

I am amazed when christians attack minorities. they may be the minorities one day, with no one willing and wanting to aid them.

I am also. It is really bad "Midda-keneged-midda." For those who don't know what this means; it is hebrew for "measure for measure" . It is the jewish concept being refered to by a jewish rabbi (Jesus) to a jewish audience. The context of the verses about judging are the teaching of a well known jewish concept. The bottom line in my opinion is "treat others how you want to be treated" In jewish teaching, God himself will see to it that the measure I measure to others with will be measured back to me. Not just for judging but for any area of behavior as well.

 

[Plan 9]

gorgonzola, with it's obvious link to gorgons such as medusa, is clearly satanic. just the idea of eating moldy blue foods is satanic. i have no doubt in my mind that the promoters of the gay agenda encourage the consumption of gorgonzola cheese, not doubt with figs http://www.godhatesfigs.com . jesus calls for edam.

Oh I understand now! The Satanists we could never actually find have been posing as gay people all along and that's why we could never find them! Feral, your insight into this subject astounding! Please, tell us more!
I want to know more about the dangers of eating figs; I may already have been slyly subverted by innocently consuming them. What should I do?

 

[feral]

Oh I understand now! The Satanists we could never actually find have been posing as gay people all along and that's why we could never find them! Feral, your insight into this subject astounding! Please, tell us more!
I want to know more about the dangers of eating figs; I may already have been slyly subverted by innocently consuming them. What should I do?

Well now, I'm shocked! You're publically admitting to the consumption of figs? I daresay you are involved in the militant, underground fig eaters rights agenda. People such as yourself should not be allowed in this society; no wonder we're in such a sad state!

Well now, don't get insulted! I love you as a sinner, I just think that you're vile, wicked, and ought to be burned at the stake!

 

[Plan 9]

I am also. It is really bad "Midda-keneged-midda." For those who don't know what this means; it is hebrew for "measure for measure" . It is the jewish concept being refered to by a jewish rabbi (Jesus) to a jewish audience. The context of the verses about judging are the teaching of a well known jewish concept. The bottom line in my opinion is "treat others how you want to be treated" In jewish teaching, God himself will see to it that the measure I measure to others with will be measured back to me. Not just for judging but for any area of behavior as well.

A surprising number of Christians have a funny way of forgetting that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi speaking to a Jewish audience, often quoting well-known Jewish writings, while at the same time telling others to keep his teachings in context.

 

[kdet]

Sweetkitty: Do you think judging also includes condemning, and throwing stone after stone?

Who has thrown any stones..and most people condemn what they find to be evil

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

I am also. It is really bad "Midda-keneged-midda." For those who don't know what this means; it is hebrew for "measure for measure" . It is the jewish concept being refered to by a jewish rabbi (Jesus) to a jewish audience. The context of the verses about judging are the teaching of a well known jewish concept. The bottom line in my opinion is "treat others how you want to be treated" In jewish teaching, God himself will see to it that the measure I measure to others with will be measured back to me. Not just for judging but for any area of behavior as well.

 

[kdet]

Oh I understand now! The Satanists we could never actually find have been posing as gay people all along and that's why we could never find them! Feral, your insight into this subject astounding! Please, tell us more!
I want to know more about the dangers of eating figs; I may already have been slyly subverted by innocently consuming them. What should I do?

Please stick to the topic Which is judging.

 

[Yitzchak]

Jet Black

I think that scripture has been LARGELY taken out of context. It means that IF YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE, then you should not show judgment. It doesn't say NOT to correct your peers.

The context of this passage is a jewish rabbi teaching "midda-keneged-midda" to a jewish audience. If a person is interested, read up on the subject or go to the messianic jewish section of this forum and ask about the concept.
In my opinion it is possible that hyperbole(intentional exageration to make a point) is used by Jesus in this passage. The passage is not meant to make a legalistic stance on judging but rather to point out how we treat others is how we will be treated by God. Since we all make mistakes and are stubbornly wrong at times and places in our lifetime it is kind of asking for it when we come down hard on someone else who is wrong.
It is not saying we cannot recognise that someone else is wrong (that is sillyness) It is saying be very careful how do we treat someone who we "think" is wrong.
[updown] My opinion [/updown]

 

[kdet]

The issue I have with judging is not in assessing the situation. I don't mind someone reviewing my posts and then judging me to be someone who supports gay rights. The problem is judging someone as inferior or wrong based on doing something you dislike, and using your position as judge to assert superiority over the situation. Also, judging the situation or action (such as homosexuality, that being a big thing) is different then judging the person. That's forgotten in many situations.
As far as a post over people being evil, I don't think anyone can be 100% evil. They can do terrible, dangerous things, they can commit a series of shocking crimes. Judging them on the basis of the crime is fine, asserting that they are wicked because of the action, with no positive qualities whatsoever is dangerous. Especially in the case of judging the sin not the sinner, so many people claim to hate only the sinful action, but then turn around posting generalizing things such as "those homosexuals". Judging the action would no allow for reducing the people to one aspect of their sex lives.

So you don't think Hilter was evil to the core but must have had some redeeming qualities somewhere?