Judas why was he picked?

[roman2819]

Judas was chosen to be the betrayer, because their is no inefficiency or unknown events or circumstances in the Kingdom of God.

Romans 11:36
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

This leaves nothing out!
If something happens it is of God, one fashion or another, everything gets approved to occur or not according to His will.

Like Ephesians 1: 11 states
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,

God did NOT cause Judas to betray. He would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he did not know Jesus personally.

When the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus, they offered a reward. Several people were tempted but they were afraid of the consequence upon themselves and family if they betrayed a teacher and miracle healer, whom thousands followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead, in spite of certain fear and apprehension within himself.

Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and see where He was. A large crowd greeted the Lord when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time to arrest Him would be when the crowd was not around, otherwise an arrest in broad daylight would cause a riot. The betrayer could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so, while others were afraid or hesistant.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Although Scriptures say Judas' deed fulfilled the Scripture, it doesn't mean God caused him to. The Bible is stating what Judas did, on his own free will.

 

[sdowney717]

God did NOT cause Judas to betray. He would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he did not know Jesus personally.

When the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus, they offered a reward. Several people were tempted but they were afraid of the consequence upon themselves and family if they betrayed a teacher and miracle healer, whom thousands followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead, in spite of certain fear and apprehension within himself.

Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and see where He was. A large crowd greeted the Lord when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time to arrest Him would be when the crowd was not around, otherwise an arrest in broad daylight would cause a riot. The betrayer could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so, while others were afraid or hesistant.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Although Scriptures say Judas' deed fulfilled the Scripture, it doesn't mean God caused him to. The Bible is stating what Judas did, on his own free will.

You then must also believe God does not chose who will be saved then?
Even though scripture says that we are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world?
It remains then that as some are chosen the others are not chosen.

 

[A_Thinker]

Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Christ in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if Judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's ways truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!

Judas was chosen ... to fulfill prophecy.

Think about it ... there are many potential Judas' out there ...

 

[roman2819]

Judas was chosen ... to fulfill prophecy.

Think about it ... there are many potential Judas' out there ...

God did not cause Judas to betray. He would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he did not know Jesus personally.

Indeed, there were several potential betrayers when the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus. Several people were tempted by reward but they were afraid of the consequence upon themselves and familes if they betrayed a teacher and miracle healer, whom thousands followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead, in spite of certain fear and apprehension within himself.

Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and see where He was. A large crowd greeted the Lord when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time to arrest Him would be when the crowd was not around, otherwise an a confrontation in broad daylight would cause a riot. The betrayer could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so, while others were afraid or hesistant.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Although Scriptures say Judas' deed fulfilled the Scripture, it doesn't mean God caused him to. The Bible says what Judas would do, on his own free will.

 

[A_Thinker]

God did not cause Judas to betray.

I agree with you.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Your theory on why Jesus chose Judas (while knowing what he was going to do) is interesting. I never considered such a scenario, but I think that it is a viable theory ...

 

[roman2819]

You then must also believe God does not chose who will be saved then?
Even though scripture says that we are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world?
It remains then that as some are chosen the others are not chosen.

Individual predestination is unbiblical. Those who said that God choose individuals to be saved have misinterpreted verses out of context.

Regardling Ephesians 1: "He chose us before the foundation of the earth" refer to Israel as a people. Does this mean that every Jew before Jesus' time were saved? What about those who worshipped idols during the days of Northern and Southern Kingdom? God chose them (?) but they committed idoltary - does it mean God chose wrongly? What about those who rejected and crucified Jesus -- are they also chosen?

In Ephesians, "chosen" is a status given to a people (the Jews), not individuals. God chose them as His people but each person had to be obedient to God individually. The ancient Jews thought that being chosen, it would not matter if they sinned, but the unthinkable happened and their kingdoms fell.

Still on Ephesians: In Him, you were also chosen when you heard of the message [1:13] .... you who were the Gentiles, formerly called the uncircumcised [2:11] .

As a Jew, Paul used the pronoun "we" and "us" from Ephesians 1: 1-4. But when he spoke about the Gentiles, he said "you" (1:13, 2:11).

Predestination is explained in 70 verses in Ephesians chapter 1,2,3. However, many people read only the first 4 verses of Ephesians 1 and misinterpreted that God chose you individually. Go on to see chapters 1,2 and 3 in context, and we will see that...

God had preplanned (predestined) to offer redemption to the Jews first (since the foundation of earth) and then the Gentiles. Previously, only the Jews had access to God and Gentiles were excluded. Now, after Christ's atonement, there is no more separation between these two people. Both Jews and Gentiles (which means everyone on earth) can now be saved if they repent through Jesus.

In context, predestination means that God preplanned His redemption plan. It never meant that He choose individuals.

In John's gospel and letters, the apostle said the Lord chose his disciples. That is true for this situation, Jesus chose the 12 to follow him. but this cannot be taken as a blanket statement to mean that every believer for the next 2000 years is handpicked too. It is about context and understanding - - again.

Today, Christians say that we choose God or accepted Jesus as saviour. However, during blblical time, believers did not say it this way. Instead, they said God chose them. It was a humble way of speaking. Back then, people had a subservient attitude towards heaven and their gods. Not only the Jews, but ancient Egyptians, Persians, Greeks or even Chinese too. Chosen can be used as word of humility: That is how we should interprepret verses such as Revelation 17:14 (called, chosen and faithful).

In OT, prophets like Micah, Jeremiah abd Isaiah are always calling upon Israel to repent. During His earthly ministry, Jesus told people to repent. He said woe to Jerusalem, if the message has been preached to other pagans, they would have repented.

It is incomprehensible how some Christians today ignore context and talk about individual predestination.

 

[sdowney717]

Individual predestination is unbiblical. Those who said that God choose individuals to be saved have misinterpreted verses out of context.

Regardling Ephesians 1: "He chose us before the foundation of the earth" refer to Israel as a people. Does this mean that every Jew before Jesus' time were saved? What about those who worshipped idols during the days of Northern and Southern Kingdom? God chose them (?) but they committed idoltary - does it mean God chose wrongly? What about those who rejected and crucified Jesus -- are they also chosen?

In Ephesians, "chosen" is a status given to a people (the Jews), not individuals. God chose them as His people but each person had to be obedient to God individually. The ancient Jews thought that since they were chosen, it does not matter if they sinned. They thought their kingdoms would never fall, but the unthinkable happened.

Still on Ephesians: In Him, you were also chosen when you heard of the message [1:13] .... you who were the Gentiles, formerly called the uncircumcised [2:11] .

So now Paul began to address the Gentiles' situation. As a Jew, he used the pronoun "we" and "us" from Ephesians 1: 1-4. But when he spoke about the Gentiles, he said "you".

Predestination is explained in 70 verses in Ephesians chapter 1,2,3. However, many people read only the first 4 verses of Ephesians 1 and misinterpreted that God chose you individually. But go on to see chapters 1,2 and 3 in context, and we will see that...

God had preplanned (predestined) to offer redemption to the Jews first (since the foundation of earth) and then the Gentiles. Previously, only the Jews had access to God and Gentiles were excluded. Now, after Christ's atonement, there is no more separation between these two people. Both Jews and Gentiles (which means everyone on earth) can now be saved if they repent through Jesus.

In context, predestination means that God preplanned His redemption plan. It never meant that He choose individuals.

In John's gospel and letters, the apostle said the Lord chose his disciples. That is true for this situation, Jesus chose the 12 to follow him. but this cannot be taken as a blanket statement to mean that every believer for the next 2000 years is handpicked too. It is about context and understanding - - again.

Today, Christians say that we choose God or accepted Jesus as saviour. However, during blblical time, believers did not say it this way. Instead, they said God chose them. Back then, people had a subservient attitude towards heaven and their gods. Not only the Jews, but ancient Egyptians, Persians, Greeks or even Chinese too. Chosen can be used as word of humility: That is how we should interprepret verses such as Revelation 17:14 (called, chosen and faithful).

In OT, prophets like Micah, Jeremiah abd Isaiah are always calling upon Israel to repent. During His earthly ministry, Jesus told people to repent. He said woe to Jerusalem, if the message has been preached to other pagans, they would have repented.

It is incomprehensible how some Christians today ignore context and talk about individual predestination.

Yes, I cold tell from your earlier response you dont believe in God' Foreknowing then predestining His people to be the chosen and saved. But scripture can not be broken even if you try.

Romans 16:13
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

Here is an example of individuals being chosen in the lord, which by your words deny..

You said this
"In Ephesians, "chosen" is a status given to a people (the Jews), not individuals."

 

[roman2819]

Yes, I cold tell from your earlier response you dont believe in God' Foreknowing then predestining His people to be the chosen and saved. But scripture can not be broken even if you try.

Romans 16:13
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

Here is an example of individuals being chosen in the lord, which by your words deny..

You said this
"In Ephesians, "chosen" is a status given to a people (the Jews), not individuals."

Regarding Rufus, an individual chosen by the Lord, i explained in the 10th paragraph of my post.

During biblical times, people wouldn't say they choose to believe or accepted God. It would sound arrogant back then. Instead they said God chose them. It was a humble way of showing their reverence.

Today, we don't speak that way anymore, and as people use modern terms to interpret ancient texts , they can misinterpret. One way to reduce such errrors is to understand context, instead of reading words at surface level.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!

Judas symbolized the Tribe/House of Judah of which the corrupt murderous Judean rulers in Jerusalem were of.
He is symbolized as the Man of Sin/the Rich man in Luke 19........

The ruler of this world coming, judged, cast out
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.

John 13:
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.' [Psalms 41:19]

John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.

John 16:11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged

John 18:3 Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the Chief priests and Pharisees, doth come thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;
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Luke 16 "Rich Man/Poor Man" parable.....The most misunderstood/misinterpreted Parable in the NT?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Let's start by getting some background information on the situation in which Yeshua told this parable. Luke tells us that all the tax collectors and sinners were coming to the Messiah to hear what he had to say (Luke 15:1).
This made the Pharisees and scribes jealous and they complained, vehemently criticizing Yeshua for receiving sinners and eating with them (Luke 15:2). They were likely envious of his growing fame, afraid that his popularity would diminish their own authority and prestige.

So the Messiah first spoke a trio of related parables (the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the prodigal son) to those gathered around him.
They were designed to show the tax collectors and sinners (as well as the Pharisees) that God was concerned for them and that He would seek out the lost and welcome them into His family when they repented and turned back to Him.

The self-righteous Pharisees and scribes, acknowledged by Yeshua as the legitimate religious teachers of the Jews (Matt. 23:1-3), should have been the ones telling these people of God's love for them. They should have been the ones teaching these sinners, exhorting them to return to God and receive His love and forgiveness. However, because of their faith in their own righteousness and their contempt for these tax collectors and sinners who didn't measure up to their standards, the Pharisees and scribes excluded them and considered them accursed (John 7:49).

Afterward, speaking primarily to his disciples but with the Pharisees (and probably the crowd) still listening in, Yeshua related the parable of the unjust steward (Luke 16:1-13).
The Pharisees, who were "lovers of money" (Luke 16:14), realized that the Messiah was alluding to them with this parable and took offense. They scoffed at Yeshua.
=============================

 

[Vicky gould]

Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.

Hi, hope you are well. As you know I believe that Satan seeks to counterfeit the Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit and I was wondering if this could have been a fallen angel's attempt to counterfeit the Holy Spirit coming on The Lord.

Your thoughts on this also if you would. We know that Jesus was fully God and Fully Man. Would it make sense that the Lord's satanic counterfeit is not fully God but Fully devil and fully man, Judas?

Always remembering any of the shadows in Scripture made up of temporal beings and objects can only go so far in their ability to shadow the Eternal.

 

[~Zao~]

Maybe a better question would be “Did Paul replace Judus in more ways than one?”
Since I consider Emanuel to be the Apostle to replace Judas it would fall into some kind of pattern.

 

[Vicky gould]

Maybe a better question would be “Did Paul replace Judus in more ways than one?”
Since I consider Emanuel to be the Apostle to replace Judas it would fall into some kind of pattern.

Hi, good stuff to chew on but if you would expand a we bit more on the pattern end of it, thanks.

 

[~Zao~]

Hi, good stuff to chew on but if you would expand a we bit more on the pattern end of it, thanks.

Not much more than I have already. Food for thought tis all.

 

[Vicky gould]

Not much more than I have already. Food for thought tis all.

Not much more than I have already. Food for thought tis all.

One of my favorite stories for us to teach and make disciples of all men is what a Rabbi's crown. When he sat down to teach his students sat on the floor before him and it was considered his crown. Is this what Saul/ Paul was thinking of when he spoke of placing our crowns at the Lord's feet? Nothing He calls us to do does not have within it that does not reveal more of Himself to us and other blessings as well. This is our husband and may all of us bring as many crowns of living stones as He also's us to obtain through His work in us and His work in others. Even so Lord Jesus come.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Judas symbolized the Tribe/House of Judah of which the corrupt murderous Judean rulers in Jerusalem were of.
He is symbolized as the Man of Sin/the Rich man in Luke 19........

The ruler of this world coming, judged, cast out
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.

John 13:
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.' [Psalms 41:19]

John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.

John 16:11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged

John 18:3 Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the Chief priests and Pharisees, doth come thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;
=====================
Luke 16 "Rich Man/Poor Man" parable.....The most misunderstood/misinterpreted Parable in the NT?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Let's start by getting some background information on the situation in which Yeshua told this parable. Luke tells us that all the tax collectors and sinners were coming to the Messiah to hear what he had to say (Luke 15:1).
This made the Pharisees and scribes jealous and they complained, vehemently criticizing Yeshua for receiving sinners and eating with them (Luke 15:2). They were likely envious of his growing fame, afraid that his popularity would diminish their own authority and prestige.

So the Messiah first spoke a trio of related parables (the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the prodigal son) to those gathered around him.
They were designed to show the tax collectors and sinners (as well as the Pharisees) that God was concerned for them and that He would seek out the lost and welcome them into His family when they repented and turned back to Him.

The self-righteous Pharisees and scribes, acknowledged by Yeshua as the legitimate religious teachers of the Jews (Matt. 23:1-3), should have been the ones telling these people of God's love for them. They should have been the ones teaching these sinners, exhorting them to return to God and receive His love and forgiveness. However, because of their faith in their own righteousness and their contempt for these tax collectors and sinners who didn't measure up to their standards, the Pharisees and scribes excluded them and considered them accursed (John 7:49).

Afterward, speaking primarily to his disciples but with the Pharisees (and probably the crowd) still listening in, Yeshua related the parable of the unjust steward (Luke 16:1-13).
The Pharisees, who were "lovers of money" (Luke 16:14), realized that the Messiah was alluding to them with this parable and took offense. They scoffed at Yeshua.
=============================

Hi, hope you are well. As you know I believe that Satan seeks to counterfeit the Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit and I was wondering if this could have been a fallen angel's attempt to counterfeit the Holy Spirit coming on The Lord.

Your thoughts on this also if you would. We know that Jesus was fully God and Fully Man. Would it make sense that the Lord's satanic counterfeit is not fully God but Fully devil and fully man, Judas?
Always remembering any of the shadows in Scripture made up of temporal beings and objects can only go so far in their ability to shadow the Eternal.

Hello.

Jesus was of the House/Tribe of Judah as was Judas [both names are the same in the Greek].
The Jewish Priesthood of Levi and tribe of Benjamin were also included.

Jesus had to show the 1st century Jews that He was the coming Messiah/Savior/Redeemer of both Judah/Jews and House of Israel by fulfilling "ALL THINGS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM"....

John 13:
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.'
[Psalms 41:19]

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

Luke 21:22
That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772).

Acts 13:29
As yet they finish all-things about Him having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772,) lifting from the wood, they place Him into a tomb.

We, as also the born again Jews, are blessed when we read Revelation

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION 1st century Jerusalem 70ad

Revelation 1:3
Happy/Blessed the one reading/anaginwskwn <314>(5723), and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it/her having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
for the Time/Season Is-Near/egguV <1451>.

 

[Vicky gould]

Hello.

Jesus was of the House/Tribe of Judah as was Judas [both names are the same in the Greek].
The Jewish Priesthood of Levi and tribe of Benjamin were also included.

Jesus had to show the 1st century Jews that He was the coming Messiah/Savior/Redeemer of both Judah/Jews and House of Israel by fulfilling "ALL THINGS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM"....

John 13:
2 The evening meal was underway, and the Devil had already put into the heart of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.'
[Psalms 41:19]

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

Luke 21:22
That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772).

Acts 13:29
As yet they finish all-things about Him having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772,) lifting from the wood, they place Him into a tomb.

We, as also the born again Jews, are blessed when we read Revelation

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION 1st century Jerusalem 70ad

Revelation 1:3
Happy/Blessed the one reading/anaginwskwn <314>(5723), and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it/her having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
for the Time/Season Is-Near/egguV <1451>.

Lots to feed on as usual. What do you think about the Garden of Eden having been the same area the Lord gave Abraham, of course it was not a garden anymore by then.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Hello.

Jesus was of the House/Tribe of Judah as was Judas [both names are the same in the Greek].
The Jewish Priesthood of Levi and tribe of Benjamin were also included.

Lots to feed on as usual. What do you think about the Garden of Eden having been the same area the Lord gave Abraham, of course it was not a garden anymore by then.

I could practically write a book just on Judas.
Have you seen this thread.
I did a post on the great "I AM", where it was used when Judas and gang confronted Jesus in the Garden.

Jhn 18:
5 They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
Jesus said to them, “I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510>.”
And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them.
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Then He asked them again, “Whom are you seeking?” And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that .“I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510>
Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,”
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”

Our God The Consuming Fire

Hello mkgal......tis nice to be of one mind.

I actually did a study on the great "I AM" sometime back and I came across this verse in John that intrigued me, and that was the event of Judas confronting Jesus in the Garden after the Last Supper:

Why did Judas and others draw back and fall on the ground when Jesus said "I AM"? Most profound....

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1473. ego eg-o' a primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic):--I, me.
G1473 matches the Greek ἐγώ (egō), which occurs 370 times in 334
1510. eimi i-mee' the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb;
I exist (used only when emphatic):--am, have been, X it is I, was
G1510 matches the Greek εἰμί (eimi), which occurs 146 times in 137 verses

Jhn 18:
5 They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
Jesus said to them, “I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510>.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them.
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Then He asked them again, “Whom are you seeking?” And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that .“I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510>
Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,”
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”

And this great verse which got the Jews scratching their heads, once again........

John 8:
57 Said then the Judeans towards Him, "Fifty years not as-yet thou are having and Abraham Thou has seen?'

58 Jesus said to them "Verily, verily, I am saying to ye,
before Abraham's to be becoming/generated/genesqai <1096> (5635) -- “I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510>;"

And of course, He is the great I AM in Revelation.....

They are used together in only 4 verses of Revelation, all with Jesus, the great I AM:

Revelation Chapter 1 Verses

Reve 1:8
I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510> to a*** kai to w a..................

Reve 1:17
And when I saw him, I did fall at his feet as dead, and he placed his right hand upon me, saying to me, 'Be not afraid; I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510> the First and the Last,

Reve 2:23
and her children I will kill in death,
and know shall all the assemblies that I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510> He who is searching reins and hearts; and I will give to you -- to each -- according to your works.

Reve 22:16
'I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies;
I/egw<1473> AM/eimi<1510> the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!

I will put the occurrences of those 2 words together in these verse in the next post..........

Matthew 5 times
Mark 4 times
Luke 4 times
John approx 14 times [ about a dozen of them separated by a another word]

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[~Zao~]

One of my favorite stories for us to teach and make disciples of all men is what a Rabbi's crown. When he sat down to teach his students sat on the floor before him and it was considered his crown. Is this what Saul/ Paul was thinking of when he spoke of placing our crowns at the Lord's feet? Nothing He calls us to do does not have within it that does not reveal more of Himself to us and other blessings as well. This is our husband and may all of us bring as many crowns of living stones as He also's us to obtain through His work in us and His work in others. Even so Lord Jesus come.

John wrote of crowns being cast at His feet in Rev 4. But Paul’s intent was to bring the bride to the throne of grace unstained. But imo Pricilla wrote Hebrews (see Ruth Hopkins ~ Pricilla Letters) so Paul didn’t say that but I believe it was (h)is intention to go forward to grace away from law. Also I think the elders are the present ruling angels in the heavenliness that are trying to keep balanced against the principalities and rulers of the air on earth. Before we can pick up any crowns we must first pick up our cross. This is an old thread that I tried to explain what I meant with little success but you might glean something from it. (From a deleted acct)
Casting crowns

 

[roman2819]

Judas fulfilled the OT prophecy that stated that one close to the Shephard would strike him, and God just used Judas, as Judas was qyite willingly to be the betrayer of Jesus!

God did NOT cause or use Judas to betray. Judas would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he did not know Jesus personally.

When the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus, they offered a reward. Several people were tempted but they were afraid of the consequence upon themselves and family if they betrayed a teacher and miracle healer, whom thousands followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead, in spite of certain fear and apprehension within himself.

Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and see where He was. A large crowd greeted the Lord when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time to arrest Him would be when the crowd was not around, otherwise an arrest in broad daylight would cause a riot. The betrayer could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so, while others were afraid or hesistant.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Although Scriptures say Judas' deed fulfilled the Scripture, it doesn't mean God caused him to. The Bible is stating what Judas did, on his own free will.

 

[redleghunter]

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew?

So that the Scriptures would be fulfilled.