Juanita Bynum-pawn of Satan?

[NightEternal]

So apparently Doc, and including many others, disagree with the style of preaching and have given Biblical support as well (although I think that was in the original thread in another forum).

Really? I saw no Biblical support whatsoever given for labeling Pentacostal style of preaching as evil. Are we looking at the same thread?

I have my own reasons for not wanting to engage Doc out here Andrew, but I am not getting into that.

 

[AndrewK788]

Really? I saw no Bilical support whatsoever given for labeling Pentacostal style of preaching as evil. Are we looking at the same thread?

I have my own reasons for not wanting to engage Doc out here Andrew, but I am not getting into that.

That's fine. I'm probably not getting involved in this one anymore anyway. Maybe it was PMing with Doc that he gave the Bible support. I guess I'll need to go back and check the original thread.

 

[Mankin]

So? You don't have to listen to her style of preaching if you don't want to.

 

[Mankin]

I didn't say they didn't have a right to their opinion. But they honestally don't have to listen to her sermon, so why does it matter?

 

[Mankin]

Lol not my personal fav style of preaching but it aight. Just watched part of the vid lol.

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy--this video was posted because this woman was preaching at an ADVENTIST church! It's not the color of her skin or the gender of sex that is offensive--but the preaching STYLE!

So stop trying to make more of it than it is.

you do likewise..... stop trying to make it more than it is...

 

[StormyOne]

T&O stated

I commented in the Traditional section that I thought the video was truly frightening and there are several reasons why I feel that way. Stormy isn't going to accept any other explanation except the one he's assigned to OUR feelings, and that's intolerance too.

ummmm wrong.... however you will think what you will think.....

 

[honorthesabbath]

I'm sure we would probably label the apstoles satanic due to their preaching style today. Traditionalism has infected the church for FAR too long. So what if you don't like her preaching style? You don't have to listen to it.

Now just how would YOU know the preaching style of the apostles?

 

[Mankin]

Exactly my point. You don't know it either.

 

[honorthesabbath]

So is that the speaker's fault or is that the fault of the individual people who have less than stellar spiritual lives?

Furthermore, is is a gross generalization to lump all of the congregation into one category of 'disobedient lives'. How do you know this? Are you privy to every single one of their personal lives?

No, the style of the presentation had nothing to do with anyone leaving that place and living 'disobedient lives'. But it had everything to do with their own walk with God. And it is ridiculous to place any of the blame for thier faults onto the speaker. It is not the speaker's responsibility to make anyone live a 'good' spiritual life.

Oh--Night--thats where you are totally wrong bro! Preaching IS suppose to lift us higher! Why else would God place PREACHING as on of the gifts of the Spirit in the church? When the Holy Spirit accompanies preaching, LIVES ARE CHANGED! If you don't think that Bynum isn't trying to evoke some kind of 'change' in her audience--you have missed the point. Unfortunately the change she is trying to accomplish isn't holy change--but instead she desires a following for herself.

Night--believe me--I've seen a hundred just like her--they are all the same-and their goal is SELF and MONEY!

 

[honorthesabbath]

Exactly my point. You don't know it either.

I can guarantee you Mankin that they didn't jump all over a stage; whooping and hollering at the Holy Spirit --DEMANDING that HE obey THEIR commands!!

I'll guarantee you Mankin that spittle didn't fly from their frothing mouths as they grotesquely repeated a thousand times, RIGHT NOW CHEEZUZ!!! RIGHT NOW!!

Don't forget--I witnessed this stuff for 13yrs--and it's more sickening to me now than in the days of my ignorance!

 

[honorthesabbath]

So? You don't have to listen to her style of preaching if you don't want to.

I won't and I don't!

 

[honorthesabbath]

I for one am not surprised that Eternal Night likes that video. As for his ability to perceive spiritual things, I believe that Night belongs to the same faction that thinks that http://www.beliefnet.com/video/humor/benny_hinn/benny_hinn2_100.ram also displays the sprit of God.

A spiritual ENEMA???????????????????????????? That woman belongs in an insane asylum not on a podium.

 

[honorthesabbath]

T&O statedummmm wrong.... however you will think what you will think.....

Our opinions of your postings are easily formed.

 

[thecountrydoc]

THE TENOR OF THIS THREAD HAS TAKEN ON A RATHER UNFRIENDLY TONE. PLEASE DON'T LET THIS ESCALATE INTO A CLOSED THREAD AND REPORTS.

 

[NightEternal]

Oh--Night--thats where you are totally wrong bro! Preaching IS suppose to lift us higher!

And I was inspired by her sermon. So were many in the video apparently.

It may do nothing for you, but to deny others their experience and claim that it cannot have the ability to lift others higher is not your right!

But I suppose every Adventist in that video enjoying ther message was ignorant, decieved and blind.

Yeah, right.

Why else would God place PREACHING as on of the gifts of the Spirit in the church? When the Holy Spirit accompanies preaching, LIVES ARE CHANGED!

Who are you to say no one's life was changed by this sermon? Did you stand at the front doors and take a survey as well as do a full follow-up on every person in attendance?

Exactly.

Furthermore, being inspired by a message is a whole lot different than depending on words spoken from the pulpit in order to get your act together. I have not heard of anyone yet who has completely changed their life as a result of things a person says from up front. Indeed, almost all of the congregation has forgotten the message the minute they walk out the front door, if it even lasts that long. To say a speaker is responsible for overhauling the spiritual lives of people who won't remember a word of what was said the next day is asking a tad much of a preacher!

Furthermore, if anyone is inspired or changed in any way it's because of GOD working through the speaker, not the speaker themselves. God is not dependent on a certain style to touch people. You may want to limit Him to only work through what your own personal tastes are, but He will break out of your self-imposed box before you know what has happened!

So, people need to suck it up and take responsibility for their own spiritual slackness and stop breast-feeding from the preacher and depending on him or her to motivate them.

If you don't think that Bynum isn't trying to evoke some kind of 'change' in her audience--you have missed the point. Unfortunately the change she is trying to accomplish isn't holy change--but instead she desires a following for herself.

Your opinion.

Night--believe me--I've seen a hundred just like her--they are all the same-and their goal is SELF and MONEY!

Your opinion. You do not know her heart nor do you have access to her innermost intentions and motivations. So I would be careful about slinging around judgments against someone you have never met and don't even know on any level outside of ONE sermon online!

 

[Mankin]

If I took one judgment like that, I could say that Doug Bathelor was just trying to get everyone's money and was motivated by a different spirit than God.


Also, honor, why don't you actually go over to the Pentacostal area and talk with them. I'm sure they have a different opinion about it all. I don't believe in speaking in tongues of course myself.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Oh--Night--thats where you are totally wrong bro! Preaching IS suppose to lift us higher!

And I was inspired by her sermon. So were many in the video apparently.

To do what?

It may do nothing for you, but to deny others their experience and claim that it cannot have the ability to lift others higher is not your right!

But I suppose every Adventist in that video enjoying ther message was ignorant, decieved and blind.

Yeah, right.

Enjoying a message and being inspired to a higher calling are two different things. If those Adventist enjoyed THAT--then yes--I'd have to say that they were deceived.

Why else would God place PREACHING as on of the gifts of the Spirit in the church? When the Holy Spirit accompanies preaching, LIVES ARE CHANGED!

Who are you to say no one's life was changed by this sermon? Did you stand at the front doors and take a survey as well as do a full follow-up on every person in attendance?

Experience Night--experience.



If you don't think that Bynum isn't trying to evoke some kind of 'change' in her audience--you have missed the point. Unfortunately the change she is trying to accomplish isn't holy change--but instead she desires a following for herself.

Your opinion.

Which I am entitled to.

Night--believe me--I've seen a hundred just like her--they are all the same-and their goal is SELF and MONEY!

Your opinion. You do not know her heart nor do you have access to her innermost intentions and motivations. So I would be careful about slinging around judgments against someone you have never met and don't even know on any level outside of ONE sermon online!

Night--I'm astounded that you cannot see past this woman's antics. It's spiritism, and I for one am not fooled by her.

 

[SpeakNow]

Yes, all three of those things are issues some people have a problem with in the church, no question. Hyveth Williams, senior pastor of the Campus Hill Seventh-day Adventist Church in Loma Linda, has also had to endure a lot of flack in all three areas.

And she is an ADVENTIST preacher who has the same fiery style as Juanita, so to use the argument that a visiting Pentacostal being invited to speak in an Adventist church is the problem doesn't seem to wash.

As for those three issues being the reason for some on this forum decrying Jaunita, I will leave the race one alone. If the shoe fits or if it doesn't isn't something that would be productive to get into at this point. The only thing I said in my OP is that she is a black woman which was just a fact being stated. It was not meant to imply that this fact might possibly have been a factor in the rejection by the Trads. It may very well be for some, I don't know. But the race issue was not something that I was thinking when I typed the OP.

But I know for a fact that STYLE AND GENDER ARE issues to some on this forum. I have gotten into it enough times here with the anti-women's ordination brigade people to attest to this. And I feel that discrimination based on gender is just as offensive as racial discrimination, and it's even more offensive when people feel they have a Biblical basis for engaging in either.

Good people, judge for yourselves whether Hyveth Williams has the "same" fiery style as Juanita Bynum.

http://www.campushillchurch.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=3&orderby=dateD

On the lefthand side of that page, click on "Media Library".

There are videos on that page of Hyveth's sermons. You have to have RealPlayer to view them.

NightEternal, they're not even close.

 

[NightEternal]

To do what?

What's it to you? A personal spiritual experience is just that-PERSONAL. No one has to justify themselves or their Christianity to you, nor is anyone obliged to 'prove' to you that they are a genuine, authentic Christian.

Enjoying a message and being inspired to a higher calling are two different things. If those Adventist enjoyed THAT--then yes--I'd have to say that they were deceived.

And I am sure every one of them would tell you your judgmental ways are offensive to them.

Experience Night, experience.

Ill-informed judgmentalism is more like it.

Which I am entitled to.

And I am entitled to tell you you are wrong. I am sure Juanita would also have some choice words for your 'assessment' of her personal spiritual authenticity.

Night--I'm astounded that you cannot see past this woman's antics. It's spiritism, and I for one am not fooled by her.

And I am astounded that you would speak about this woman the way that you have and judge her so harshly based on your own bias and personal taste. Of course, anyone who doesn't measure up to your almighty standards would face the same treatment, wouldn't they?