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JPMorgan Calls It: The U.S. Economy Has Made a Soft Landing

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I have not suggested that presidents have 'nothing to do with the economy'. That would be silly.

I have said they cannot control prices or, specifically, inflation.

I asked you to explain your one-word post. 'Bidenomics'. But since you have brought up 'rent/mortgage, food, utilities, insurance' I ask you. Do you think presidents control these, and if so, how?
So they have something to do with the economy, to the point of that something being called "Bidenomics", but they have zero control over the economy.
 
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Time to vote in a new republican president to cause the next financial collapse, now that the democratic party has cleaned up again.
 
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Time to vote in a new republican president to cause the next financial collapse, now that the democratic party has cleaned up again.
There seems to be a lot of back and forth between the administration having little influence over the economy and inflation, to having a great deal of influence.
 
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No, it's that prices weren't out of control through the roof.
I appreciate that now that the data confirms previous right wing talking points about the economy were incorrect that the talking points have been updated to vague but ultimately meaningless hyperbole like this.
 
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I appreciate that now that the data confirms previous right wing talking points about the economy were incorrect that the talking points have been updated to vague but ultimately meaningless hyperbole like this.
Who needs talking points when there's personal experience? But of course the left says to dismiss that and instead only go by the data they've cranked out.
 
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There seems to be a lot of back and forth between the administration having little influence over the economy and inflation, to having a great deal of influence.
It's almost like this stuff is complicated and dependent on lots of factors.
 
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It's almost like this stuff is complicated and dependent on lots of factors.
Trump ran a good economy. Biden ran a lousy economy. It only gets complicated ie contradictory when folks try to talk around that simple fact.
 
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Trump ran a good economy. Biden ran a lousy economy.
Of course. The republican party is great at running an economy that only crashes in the fourth year of their rule, so most of their economy is usually good. The democratic party has to clean up the mess the republican party made, so their overall economy is not as good, with most positive effects only kicking in towards the end.
 
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Who needs talking points when there's personal experience? But of course the left says to dismiss that and instead only go by the data they've cranked out.
Yeah, why look at a comprehensive accounting of the whole of the US economy when we could be basing our view of reality on what random anonymous people claim on the internet?
 
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Of course. The republican party is great at running an economy that only crashes in the fourth year of their rule, so most of their economy is usually good. The democratic party has to clean up the mess the republican party made, so their overall economy is not as good, with most positive effects only kicking in towards the end.
The economy crashed because of all the democrat driven shutdowns and lockdowns. And the democrat party made it worse the last 4 years, not better. My routine living expenses just shot up dramatically in the last couple of months. And I seriously doubt I'm the exception.
 
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No it's what people personally experience in their living expenses.
I get it - some choose to base their view of the reality of the entirety of the US economy based on random assertions from anonymous internet posts.
I just don't see that as a particularly good path towards effective public policy decisions.
 
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The economy crashed because of all the democrat driven shutdowns and lockdowns.

Is the assertion that ex-president (and now candidate) Trump is powerless when faced with even the slightest bit of push-back from the opposition party? Not exactly great bumper sticker material for his campaign.

And the democrat party made it worse the last 4 years, not better.
Covid deaths are down, the Trump recession is over, GDP and wage growth is solid, etc, etc, etc.
Maybe it is better to rely on random anecdotes rather than asking people to think about how bad the Trump administration actually was for them.
 
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JPMorgan Chase JPM 4.44%increase; green up pointing triangle on Friday said the U.S. economy remains strong for both consumers and big companies, a sign that the Federal Reserve may have achieved the much-discussed soft landing with lower inflation and healthy growth.



"By just about every measure, the U.S. economy is in good shape. Growth is strong. Unemployment is low. Inflation is back down. More important, many Americans are getting sizable pay raises, and middle-class wealth has surged to record levels."

The United States has nearly 7 million more jobs than it did before the pandemic, and the largest share of 25-to-54-year-olds working since 2001. Many experts didn’t think it even possible for the labor market to become this robust again. Some theories considered Americans too addicted to video games or drugs, or simply too lazy to work. The jobs rebound has proved the experts wrong.

The story on inflation is similar. Two years ago, economists were predicting a recession. Many said it was impossible to lower inflation without a downturn and widespread job losses. Yet we are living through this miracle. Report after report shows inflation cooling off. On Thursday, we learned that inflation has cooled to 2.4 percent. It’s so close to the 2 percent target again even Federal Reserve officials aren’t that worried about it anymore. And there is no recession in sight."

And yet;
There is a huge elephant in the room not being talked about.

It's been a little over a week since the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget sent a letter to Kamala Harris and Donald Trump suggesting they get serious about "skyrocketing" national debt, which now exceeds $35 trillion.

Washington is spending $1.8 trillion more than it collects annually.

"Our publicly held debt will soon surpass the entire size of the U.S. economy, and debt is projected to exceed its previous record, 106 percent of GDP, in 2027," the letter warned. "At a projected cost of $892 billion this year, our nation already spends more on interest on the debt than we do on both national defense and all federal spending on children."

"The costs and promises just keep coming," CRFB head Maya MacGuineas observed as we chatted over the phone Friday. As November nears, the candidates are dangling "expensive targeted breaks for groups of voters" with a "silly cynical patchwork of fiscal giveaways."

CRFB crunched the numbers from the Harris and Trump campaign troves and reported that Harris scored better than Trump.

The fiscal watchdog group factored three outcomes — low impact, high impact and in between — of each candidate's proposals and figured the impact on the national debt for Plan Kamala could be as low as zero or as high as $8.1 trillion over 10 years starting in 2026.

For Trump, the range could be as low as $1.45 trillion or as high as $15.15 trillion over the same period.

That would be on top of the $1.8 trillion or so in debt that we already accumulate each year.

Since the letter went out, MacGuineas noted, there has been another natural disaster, Hurricane Milton, and Harris promised to have Medicare fund at-home, long-term care and Trump promised a new tax break on car-loan interest. So those estimates can only grow.

MacGuineas knows that the longer Washington puts off addressing America's over-indebtedness, the more painful the remedy will be.

Because really, the only way to eliminate the money gap and put federal spending on a sustainable path would be to address entitlement spending. But you don't hear either candidate talking about fixing Social Security or Medicare. Instead, you hear about how they want to give away more money they don't have.

Part of the problem is there is no crisis, just more red ink every year; our finances resemble the frog in the pot on top of a fire.

But it's also true that with no crisis, this would be a perfect time to course-correct. The economy is strong enough to absorb the cost of what needs to be done.

Shortly after MacGuineas and I spoke, The Wall Street Journal reported that JPMorgan Chase Chief Financial Officer Jeremy Barnum said on a conference call that after a recent interest rate cut, the U.S. economy is in a "kind of Goldilocks" situation.

Inflation is at 2.44% right now. But when interest rates climb, the cost of paying off the mountains of U.S. debt will climb as well.

So this would be a great time to right the ship, except that it's an election year, and neither party wants to talk about paying the piper.

Republicans aren't talking about cutting government to right the ship, MacGuineas noted, and Democrats aren't pushing for the broad tax hikes necessary to pay for their programs.

I asked MacGuineas: What should voters be pushing for?

A pledge from candidates, MacGuineas responded, and it's simple: "No new borrowing until they fix this situation, barring emergencies."

That makes so much sense, you know it won't happen.

 
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Preliminary economic data for Q3: American consumers (and businesses). continue to spend....

"Fresh data from the Commerce Department this morning is expected to show that gross domestic product grew at an annualized rate of 3 percent between July and September, matching the previous quarter’s reading, according to economists polled by Bloomberg. A separate tracker from the Atlanta Fed is forecasting annualized growth of about 2.8 percent.

The economy’s resilience — ahead of a tightly contested presidential election — is being fueled by robust consumer spending that has outlasted even the most optimistic forecasts. Despite inflation, Americans have continued to shell out for a range of goods and services, including cars, dining out and travel."

Businesses and state and local governments have also kept spending and investing in the face of high interest rates and political uncertainty, which has helped bolster the economy beyond what economists had predicted even a few months ago. GDP, which measures the goods and services in the United States, has increased for nine straight quarters.
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