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BABerean2 said: ↑
Nobody saw Christ return to planet earth during 70 AD.
Christ remained seated at the Father's right hand while the Romans were allowed to destroy Jerusalem, in the same way the Babylonians had done it earlier.
Well, the Apostles and the Jews of that generation are not around to tell us whether they saw Him or not.
If I am not mistaken, a lot of Bibles scholars, even some futurists admit to Luke 21 beings about 70 ad, but that Matt and Mark are still future because of the AoD.
That aside, did anyone notice the word "redemption<629> in Luke 21:28?
It is used only in this 1 verse of the Gospels.
Remember, this was said PRE-70ad to that generation of Jews:
Luke 21:
27 “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 “Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads,
because your redemption<629> draws near.”
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
That appears to be when those mysterious 2 witnesses are "raptured"
Revelation 11:12
And they hear a great Voice out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye here!
Amd they ascended into the heaven in the cloud and their enemies behold them.
Do you think the above also happened during 70 AD, but we do not know if anyone saw it?
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Do you believe the 7 events Josephus writes about actually happened?
Horses and chariots are mentioned numerous times concerning prophecy and mentioned in Revelation.
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
5. "Soon after the feast of the Passover, in various parts of the country, before the Setting of the sun, chariots and armed men were seen in the air, passing round about Jerusalem. "
BABerean2 said: ↑
Can you show which of the books of Josephus it came from?
I have access to his works on Esword.
The member quote above put up a link to site concerning Josephus and Revelation...Josephus
Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).Tacitus
In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure. Few people placed a sinister interpretation upon this. The majority were convinced that the ancient scriptures of their priests alluded to the present as the very time when the Orient would triumph and from Judaea would go forth men destined to rule the world." (Histories, Book 5, v. 13).
Josephus supposedly wroth about the event and him viewing this event being in Revelation.
I have used Josephus numerous times but never knew he might have actually visioned Revelation as it appears his writings about Jerusalem 70 match up fairly well with Revelation. It would also seem he is the first "Preterist" of the 1st century.
How do others here view him and his eschatological views on Jerusalem 70ad and Revelation?
https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/index.html
Flavius Josephus, a Jewish priest and Pharisee, was put in command of the national resistance in Galilee at the time of Israel's revolt against Rome. When he was captured at Jotapata; his life was spared upon his prediction to rival Vespasian, that the Roman general would soon become emperor. Upon the fulfillment of this prophecy shortly thereafter, he was commissioned to provide his captors with a history of the Jewish people, although he initially wrote a history of the Roman-Jewish war suited for both a Roman and a Jewish audience. His works, disputed though they may be regarding accuracy, are an indispensable source on the history of Roman Judea....................
"The destruction of Jerusalem was more terrible than anything that the world has ever witnessed, either before or since. Even Titus seemed to see in his cruel work the hand of an avenging God." .....................
"During the Middle Ages, Josephus was the most widely read ancient author in Europe.. Josephus' literary influence had no equals, with the sole exception of the Bible.".........
Was Flavius Josephus familiar with the Apocalypse of John?
John's Revelation - “And there were noises and thundering and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.” (16:18)
Josephus - “for there broke out a prodigious storm in the night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds, with the largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that was in an earthquake.
These things were a manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5)
John's Revelation - "Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)
Josephus - “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.” (5:1:1)
John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)
Josephus - “Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color, and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)..................
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