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Well, opinions vary.
I have relatives from the 70's that are strong mormons. When they opened the temple in Bellevue, WA to the world right after it was finished, I toured it with them and got me a book of Mormon. I almost became a Mormon. I didn't. A few years later I became a Christian, though. I then studied mormon history for a couple of decades before I thought It was time to use what I learned and move on to other pursuits, depending on the knowledge I had picked up whenever the need arose.
The evidence is more than overwhelming regarding the history of the church and its founders and early presidents. It is irrefutable. In fact, it gets downright comical. That is why South Park had such a field day with it, and it was so successful it was turned into a play.
A fish does not know that it is wet.
More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.LDS are Christians, despite what some people will tell you.
Prove you are a Christian. Tell me why you are more correct than I am.More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.
Should we ignore the lds recorded history and just believe you instead??
I don't know. I hope so, yet I trust God to bring the sheep to Christ.
BTW, Joseph Smith also said:
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” ...
Joseph Smith—History 1
Is there any evidence that Smith did not meet an angel?
I’m glad that all of you have studied the critics of the church to find out the truth about Mormonism. I always find it humorous that so many experts claim superior knowledge of Mormonism than those who read study and pray about the restored gospel. It is no different than conservatives differences than liberIals. You can claim the Joseph Smith made the whole thing up but he was murdered because of those beliefs. He gave himself up willingly into the shame and he knew it. He did not have to give himself and he could have moved out west where he forethought led the saints would go. Out of the restoration through which God worked through Joseph Smith we have the Book of Mormon, doctrine and covenants and pearl of great price. You can scoff and be critical but you do not know that you are any more correct than we are. You don’t have any original writings of the Bible and have to have faith that what is in there is from God. No proof that Jesus ever existed from the An Kent writings. You take it on faith. Give us the same privilege
Your church leaders tell us you are not Christians - you are a Latter-day Saint. Your leaders despised Christianity. What more authoritative source do you want? And now you want back in the club??Prove you are a Christian. Tell me why you are more correct than I am.
That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.You’re doing valuable work here exposing these distortions of the word, God bless you
That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.
By this logic, "Baptist" are not Christians, or "Catholics" or "Protestants". There are disagreements about theological issues in Christendom (down to what is needed to be save, which books are in the Bible, etc), but that's not a reason for any of us each other's real relationship with Christ.More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.
Should we ignore the lds recorded history and just believe you instead??
Including yours. Pot, meet kettle.That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.
That (denying his full divinity, etc) is not LDS beliefs at all.Any religious group claiming to follow Christ but denying his full divinity, portraying him as something more than man but less than God, is illegitimate and should be exposed as such.
That (denying his full divinity, etc) is not LDS beliefs at all.
Rather LDS believe that Jesus Christ is the one Son of God, the Only Begotten, forever one with the Father. He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world, only way to the Father.
Like I said, there's a lot of false information out there.
Baptists, etc. did not claim a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", nor did they denounce Christianity as a whole. So, your logic fails.By this logic, "Baptist" are not Christians, or "Catholics" or "Protestants". There are disagreements about theological issues in Christendom (down to what is needed to be save, which books are in the Bible, etc), but that's not a reason for any of us each other's real relationship with Christ.
Have you ever read "Mama, Mormonism and Me"? It speaks of the mormon need to shed your own blood for your salvation. Jesus' blood only did part of the job.
That being said, I have no doubt there are Christians in the mormon church, but the message of the church is not Christian.
Check out Recovery from Mormonism - the Mormon Church and the other ex-mormon sites.
Gads---and yet one more reason to walk away from them. They said that the bible is accurate only as it is interpreted correctly----so what is their interpretation of this verse?
I was reading the D&C130--
"I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it."
How do they belong to this world when the angels were created before us and before this world? This world was made for us--not them and it is to us that it will return. Makes no sense. In fact--precious little of that entire "covenant" makes sense.
If anyone adds or takes away from the words of this prophecy, let them be a cursedMormon scripture consists of the KJV Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. They are sometimes called the Standard Works.
Book of Mormon | LDS.org
The Doctrine and Covenants of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
The Pearl of Great Price
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Available as a "quadruple combination."
You are the one that denys the foundation upon which it rests. The foundation is not the bible. The foundation is living apostles and prophets that receive revelation from the cornerstone of the foundation which is Jesus Christ. If you are unfamiliar with this foundation then read this scripture:I used to be a supporter of Saints alive, AKA "Ex mormons for Jesus, back in the 80's. I confess that I don't get into this stuff much any more. However, I do use the knowledge I gained from that study and things like your post. I mostly now just focus on the message of Jesus and if mormonism comes up I am armed to explain why, though it has the appearance of Christianity, it denies the foundation upon which it rests.
Including yours. Pot, meet kettle.
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