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Your evidence lacks anything that is substantial. In fact it has nothing to do with Joseph Smith despising Gods will. Joseph Smith did God's will.
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Your evidence lacks anything that is substantial. In fact it has nothing to do with Joseph Smith despising Gods will. Joseph Smith did God's will.No, it is not a presumption. It is a fact. And I gave the evidence.
The Bible says there is dead faith:
(New Testament | James 2:14 - 20)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?[/QUOTE]
Faith doesn't save us --- Jesus does!
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved); 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The Bible speaks of living faith in Christ. Dead faith in false religions is not a topic.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith (in His blood); and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
If you believe the Bible (all of it) then you will know there is dead faith. You can't be saved by dead faith.
If someone says he has faith, but his life isn't transformed, we can't believe he has genuine faith. Salvation is by faith alone. Genuine faith produces good works.
Faith in a pet dog doesn't give eternal life. Faith in a false Christ doesn't grant eternal life.
Your evidence lacks anything that is substantial. In fact it has nothing to do with Joseph Smith despising Gods will. Joseph Smith did God's will.
Your evidence lacks anything that is substantial. In fact it has nothing to do with Joseph Smith despising Gods will. Joseph Smith did God's will.
He did not despise the teaching that God's will is more powerful than man's. So far you have not shown a single piece of evidence that shows that he did.I did not say that Joseph Smith despised God's will. I don't think he knew God's will. He despised the teaching that God's will is more powerful than man's.
You started the thread.Your response is evidence that you changed the topic of the thread.
.[/QUOT] Were you really a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
.[/QUOT] Were you really a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
I did spell it right. You said you were a member?:Please fix the above post. You must be falling asleep. I didn't ask the question and you didn't spell the name of your church correctly.
The first vision is an excellent example.He did not despise the teaching that God's will is more powerful than man's. So far you have not shown a single piece of evidence that shows that he did.
I did spell it right. You said you were a member?:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
.[/QUOT] Were you really a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
is not the same.
Jesus that didn't listen to the council of the Pharisees but instead chose to listen to God as did Joseph Smith:The first vision is an excellent example.
"Seek first the kingdom of God..." (Matthew 6:33)
“Every purpose is established by counsel; by wise counsel wage war.” (Proverbs 20:18)
“Without counsel, plans go awry, but in the multitude of counselors they are established.” (Proverbs 15:22)
“Listen to counsel and receive instruction, that you may be wise in your latter days.” (Proverbs 19:20)
“Cease listening to instruction, my son, and you will stray from the words of knowledge.” (Proverbs 19:27)
In the Joseph Smith-History, Chapter 1, verse 21 and on, Joseph describes his seeking counsel with a Methodist minister and other "professors of religion". He didn't like their answers nor listen to their counsel, in accordance with Scripture, and instead went his own way. Your very religion is not based on God's will, but the will of Joseph Smith. Therefore, Joseph Smith despised God's will in favor of his own.
(New Testament | Revelation 12:7 - 11)Why did the Father need the the power of His Only Begotten to cast Satan down?
“Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
Moses 4:3
Romans 8:29-30
Then why does the JST change justified to sanctified?
Greek Text: οὓς δὲ προώρισεν τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς ἐκάλεσεν τούτους καὶ ἐδικαίωσεν οὓς δὲ ἐδικαίωσεν τούτους καὶ ἐδόξασεν
KJV: Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
JST: Moreover, him whom he did predestinate, him he also called; and him whom he called, him he also sanctified; and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.
Name ONE greek manuscript that supports the JST. This is changing Scripture to fit Mormonism.
According to Mormonism:
Free Agency Is Evidence of God's Justice
Righteousness and obedience to divine law are and must be a requirement based upon the principle of eternal justice. The fact that man has been given his free agency is an evidence of the justice and mercy of our Eternal Father. He will teach, persuade, and encourage his children to walk in the ways of righteousness, but even his divine love cannot transcend the decree of justice and the edict that none but the clean can dwell in his kingdom. We are taught that the heavens wept over the rebellion of Lucifer and those who followed him. Moreover, it was justice of a kind Heavenly Father that grants to every soul the great gift of free agency which makes individuals morally responsible for their own deeds.
Naturally, the expression that our Eternal Father loves Satan needs some qualification.There is no doubt that there was a deep sorrow and weeping when Lucifer rebelled. From all that we have received pertaining to the pre-existence, we learn that there was a time when Lucifer held great authority and was known as the light bearer. No doubt at that time he rebelled against giving to every soul the great gift of free agency. He advocated a doctrine of compulsion.
Selections from Answers to Gospel Questions, A Course of Study for the Melchizedek Quorums 1972-1973, Selections from the Writings of Joseph Fielding Smith, Tenth President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Published by the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 19
I think the heart of this is the sovereignty of God and the idea of eternal justice.
"...even his divine love cannot transcends the degree of justices and the edict that none but the clean can dwell in his kingdom.."
Does this tie God's hands?
Mormon theology says justice is an eternal law which God can not, will not break.
The law states for every sin there is a punishment afixed, God can not change it. He can not arbitrarily offer mercy no matter how much he wants to for mercy can not rob justice.
However there is a loophole which allows another to step in an take the punishment or atone for. This is what Jesus did, he broke the bands or hold justice had on us and now he can offer mercy.
The point is God uses the fixed and eternal laws to bring about his purposes for the salvation his children.
Within Mormonism there are two points of view. One says God ordained these fixed laws the other says the laws just are and God uses them.
Define justice.
Lawmakers can show mercy.
Laws aren't higher than God. It's His call.
Exodus 33:19 NIV
And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
The King doesn't need a loophole. He is the Perfect Sovereign. Your Jesus offers mercy. What law says he can do that without robbing justice?
Where is the verse that gives mere mortals a different POV? One should be right; that makes the other wrong.
The blood of Jesus makes us clean.
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