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Some might be interested in John Darby and the Plymouth Bretheren.

One might say that is where all of this nonsence about reading Scripture literally might have began ...

From Wikipedia:

Darby is noted in the theological world as the father of "dispensationalism," later made popular in the United States by Cyrus Scofield's Scofield Reference Bible. He originated the "secret rapture" theory wherein Christ will snatch away his true believers from this world without warning. Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism.

Here a bio:

http://www.johndarby.org/beginning/index.html
 

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Darby is noted in the theological world as the father of "dispensationalism," later made popular in the United States by Cyrus Scofield's Scofield Reference Bible. He originated the "secret rapture" theory wherein Christ will snatch away his true believers from this world without warning. Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism.

Here a bio:

http://www.johndarby.org/beginning/index.html
This site also shines a "light" on Darby and is a very extensive study on Darbyism: :wave: A must read.

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/subcats.asp?id=9|21

C. I. Scofield by William E. Cox
The father of dispensationalism, Darby, as well as his teachings, probably would be unheard of today were it not for his devoted follower, Scofield. The writer became increasingly aware of this fact as he did research for this book. Darby's books are gathering dust on the shelves of the comparatively few libraries stocking them. Information concerning him is scarce indeed.

Is the Pretribulation Rapture Biblical? by Brian Schwertley
Although the pretribulation rapture doctrine is very popular and is even considered so crucial to Christianity that it is made a test of a person’s orthodoxy in some denominations, Bible colleges and seminaries, the exegetical and theological arguments used by its advocates are all classic cases of forcing one’s theological presuppositions onto particular texts (eisegesis). The purpose of this brief study is to show that the pretribulation rapture theory is not plainly taught or directly stated in any place in Scripture, cannot be deduced from biblical teaching, contradicts the general teaching of the Bible regarding Christ’s second coming and was never taught in any branch of the church prior to 1830.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Looking/Looking9.htm
LOOKING FOR HIS APPEARING

This distorted conception of the return of Christ, and its purpose, caused the Church of England scholars to translate the Greek word PAROUSIA by our English word "coming," when its real meaning is "presence." In their twisted theology there was simply no way in which Christ could be present in the earth for more than a few hours. He was to return, and rapture His people almost immediately away to heaven, so they could not conceive of His coming meaning His PRESENCE. The word PAROUSIA is used twice in the New Testament when it does not apply to Jesus, but to the apostle Paul. These uses of the word establish its real meaning. Paul expresses others' appraisal of him, saying, "His letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence (PAROUSIA) is weak" (II Cor. 10:10). And again, writing to the saints at Philippi, Paul says, "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence (PAROUSIA) only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12).
It can be seen at once that the use of the word "coming" to translate the Greek word PAROUSIA in the foregoing texts would have given an entirely wrong meaning to Paul's words. In these passages it is the PRESENCE of a human being that is involved, so we understand what Paul means. He is not discussing his "coming" or "arrival," his "journey" to them, but his actual presence in their midst. So we need only to move from the understandable into the realm in which we do not fully understand in order to realize what the prophecies mean which discuss the PAROUSIA of our Lord; that meaning being His ACTUAL PRESENCE, not His "coming."
 
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Although the pretribulation rapture doctrine is very popular and is even considered so crucial to Christianity that it is made a test of a person’s orthodoxy in some denominations, Bible colleges and seminaries, the exegetical and theological arguments used by its advocates are all classic cases of forcing one’s theological presuppositions onto particular texts (eisegesis). The purpose of this brief study is to show that the pretribulation rapture theory is not plainly taught or directly stated in any place in Scripture, cannot be deduced from biblical teaching, contradicts the general teaching of the Bible regarding Christ’s second coming and was never taught in any branch of the church prior to 1830.
I would go so far as to say that prior to Luther in the 16th century that Christianity as a whole was all but dead.

I guess that is why they called it the "Dark Ages". Bibles were forbidden in the hands of the common folk for centuries.

I guess that may be why we are scriptural referred to at times as a "remnant".

While literal interpretation is admittedly a recent phenomena ... and it is a fact that many who call themselves "Christian" don't believe much of the Scripture ... specially prophecy to be literal ... some of us believe that God knows what He was talking about and that He means what He said.

Silly us.

However when the Wrath hits the fan ... I am glad I am going to be on the inside of the yellow tape with God.

Wish ya luck.


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While literal interpretation is admittedly a recent phenomena ... and it is a fact that many who call themselves "Christian" don't believe much of the Scripture ... specially prophecy to be literal ... some of us believe that God knows what He was talking about and that He means what He said.
Yep. That is what Jesus was trying to explain to the Jews.

John 5:45 `Do not think that I will accuse you unto the Father; there is who is accusing you, Moses--in whom ye have hoped; 46 for if ye were believing Moses, ye would have been believing me, for he wrote concerning me;

I always wondered why these were judged out of books and works but the rest of the dead are just judged by their works only. I don't think I am in this group. :eek:
'Reve 20:12 and I saw the "dead", small and great, standing before God/qeou, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the "dead" were judged out of the things written in the scrolls--according to their works;
 
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Why do folks give DARBY the credit for "discovery of dispensationalism?" I just dont get it.

God HIMSELF is a dispensationalist. Our bibles are laid out in a dispensational manner...times Past, But NOW, and ages to COME.

Paul proved again that God dispenses information PROGRESSIVELY and dispensationally.

Darby had nothin to do with it...he simply uncovered that which well meaning christians shoved aside in favor of their "religion"....

I say, three cheers for Darby or anyone else who recognizes satans ploy to KEEP hidden that which God has REVEALED.
 
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Why do folks give DARBY the credit for "discovery of dispensationalism?" I just dont get it.

God HIMSELF is a dispensationalist. Our bibles are laid out in a dispensational manner...times Past, But NOW, and ages to COME.

Paul proved again that God dispenses information PROGRESSIVELY and dispensationally.

Darby had nothin to do with it...he simply uncovered that which well meaning christians shoved aside in favor of their "religion"....

I say, three cheers for Darby or anyone else who recognizes satans ploy to KEEP hidden that which God has REVEALED.
Eph God has given us great men of God as teachers ... guides as it were. But of course you are correct ... it is God's Eternal Purpose.

Scripture I believe is as infinite ... as it's God's Word. Prophecy tells us that knowledge will greatly increase towards the end times. I think God was telling us that there is much more we will yet learn ... from the Word ... its secrets will be revealed to us through mighty men of God.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


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