John McCain pro/con

[Rick Otto]

Except that McCain actualy fought & bled for America, and his grandfather didn't financialy support Nazis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

 

[LJSGM]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25126582/

Who's Olbermann anyways?

From all the articles that I see from those high up, it seems like the military and many others are deathy afraid of Mccain becoming president that they are actually getting involved in speaking against him.

 

[LJSGM]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25154267/

Why do they have credit card debt? Do rich people do this often or something? it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Carey]

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[Scribbler]

How low will the left sink? Let's ask MoveOn.org, the friendly, level-headed
folks who brought you the 'Compare Bush to Hitler' contest back in 2004!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzB4...msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/17/1148405.aspx





John McCain. Taking Baby Alex.

 

[Rick Otto]

If ya can't stand the comparisons, get out of the policing the world & pre-emptive war business.

Abraham Lincoln:

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion… and you allow him to make war at pleasure… If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,–’I see no probability of the British invading us’; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent: I see it, if you don’t.’
(Letter 1848, see Abraham Lincoln: a Documentary Portrait Through His Speeches and Writings. Don E. Farenbacher, editor. 1996. Stanford University Press, Stanford.)


Dwight D. Eisenhower:

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.


“The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it,” James Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson.



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[[serious]]

anyone else notice that mccain is the forgotten candidate? I mean, there are several thousand posts in dozens of threads on Obama and we've yet to roll this thread a single time. Heck, we aren't even 1/5 of the way to the thread split here. Is McCain really just the "not obama" candidate?

 

[Rick Otto]

He is the "not Ron Paul Republican".

 

[Carey]

If ya can't stand the comparisons, get out of the policing the world & pre-emptive war business.

Abraham Lincoln:

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion… and you allow him to make war at pleasure… If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,–’I see no probability of the British invading us’; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent: I see it, if you don’t.’
(Letter 1848, see Abraham Lincoln: a Documentary Portrait Through His Speeches and Writings. Don E. Farenbacher, editor. 1996. Stanford University Press, Stanford.)


Dwight D. Eisenhower:

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.


“The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it,” James Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson.



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We don't agree on this one I don't think bro.

Hmmm when I think of preemtive war. I see Iran as a stranger entering my childs room in the middle of the night.

Jesus taught how to live as individuals. Not how to govern a nation and miltary.

I am sure if you saw a stranger entering your childs room in the middle of the night you would not preemptively blow his head off...RIGHT ??? LOL

Here is what Gods word says about how to rule and Govern. This is just a few. I can get you much more but I think you should get the point.

Luke 21 : 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 15 : 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Revelations 20 : 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves.
(NOTE:With a preemptive strike) But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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[SummerMadness]

anyone else notice that mccain is the forgotten candidate? I mean, there are several thousand posts in dozens of threads on Obama and we've yet to roll this thread a single time. Heck, we aren't even 1/5 of the way to the thread split here. Is McCain really just the "not obama" candidate?

I kind of feel sorry for this thread, so every now and then I'll post in it. But seeing the rabid posts decrying Obama, I am quite happy with that. They're desperate and trying to smear their way to victory. Unfortunately, it won't work this year.

 

[Rick Otto]

Smear is all you can do with the usual slime.
Nothing of substance behind the "change" rhetoric.
Same staus quo in a new color.

Carey, the only way Iran could enter your child's room in the middle of the night is if your dog was drunk, your army was spread out around the world selectively deposing formerly supported dictators, andthe borders were left unguarded so that cheap labor could sneak in to support the sale of your sovereignity to create the "Amero".

If a stranger was sneking into my house in the middle of the night, blowing his head off would be defense, NOT pre-emption.
Notice that Isreal flew into Syria and bombed what were probably plutonium processors just a season back & it hardly made a blip on the mainstream Government Media Complex.
Notice that the scriptures you provided are not describing a pre-emptive strike. God waits until it is plainly hopeless without Him.
HERE is what God has to say about the kind of government we are dealing with, Carey:
1 Samuel 8:4-22 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. 6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. 7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. 9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. 10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king. 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day. 19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; 20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

 

[Carey]

Smear is all you can do with the usual slime.
Nothing of substance behind the "change" rhetoric.
Same staus quo in a new color.

Carey, the only way Iran could enter your child's room in the middle of the night is if your dog was drunk, your army was spread out around the world selectively deposing formerly supported dictators, andthe borders were left unguarded so that cheap labor could sneak in to support the sale of your sovereignity to create the "Amero".

If a stranger was sneking into my house in the middle of the night, blowing his head off would be defense, NOT pre-emption.
Notice that Isreal flew into Syria and bombed what were probably plutonium processors just a season back & it hardly made a blip on the mainstream Government Media Complex.
Notice that the scriptures you provided are not describing a pre-emptive strike. God waits until it is plainly hopeless without Him.
HERE is what God has to say about the kind of government we are dealing with, Carey:
1 Samuel 8:4-22 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. 6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. 7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. 9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. 10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king. 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day. 19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; 20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

Yes we agree on the illuminati and the Amero.

But Iran is a problem. But i think israel has the cure.

US officials have told The New York Times that Israel carried out a large military drill during the first week of June that appeared to be a rehearsal for a bombing mission against Iran’s nuclear sites. At least 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighter jets were involved in the exercises carried out over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece, which focused on long-range air skills. The exercises were so extensive, Washington believes they were meant to be picked up by other Western intelligence agencies as a demonstration that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from developing a uranium nuclear weapon fail. "They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know," one Pentagon official said. Israeli officials declined to discuss the exercise, saying only that the country's air force "regularly trains for various missions in order to confront and meet the challenges posed by the threats facing Israel." The UN Security Council has imposed various sanctions on Iran for refusing to suspend its renegade uranium enrichment activities, which Tehran insists is for making fuel for electrical power plants and not for nuclear weapons. Iran said it was ready to negotiate on Thursday over a new economic incentives package proposed by the major world powers recently to persuade Tehran to suspend its uranium enrichment program.

 

[Carey]

Has anyone noticed how JOhn McCains campaign is so quietly confident??

This is because he knows he will be elected because he has the illuminati behind him.

 

[Scribbler]

Has anyone noticed how JOhn McCains campaign is so quietly confident??

This is because he knows he will be elected because he has the illuminati behind him.

Yes. So obvious.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Has anyone noticed how JOhn McCains campaign is so quietly confident??

This is because he knows he will be elected because he has the illuminati behind him.

Actually it's because he's running against a guy who is more interested in eating his waffles than Hamas.

 

[JustOneWay]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/23/mccain.terrorism/index.html

An adviser to Sen. John McCain apologized Monday for saying a terrorist attack on the United States would be "a big advantage" for the Republican presidential candidate.

John McCain's campaign has called upon terrorists to help his campaign!

America, Who loves ya?

 

[Carey]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/23/mccain.terrorism/index.html


John McCain's campaign has called upon terrorists to help his campaign!

America, Who loves ya?

Why apologize for the truth??

<Staff Edit>

Thet quickly forget about others and their losses in 9 - 11 and start rhinking only of themselves and what they put in their mouth and how
many joy rides they can take.

So unless reminded and afraid only for themselves they are not Patriotic enough to vote wisely.

 

[JustOneWay]

Why apologize for the truth??

<Staff Edit>

Thet quickly forget about others and their losses in 9 - 11 and start rhinking only of themselves and what they put in their mouth and how
many joy rides they can take.

So unless reminded and afraid only for themselves they are not Patriotic enough to vote wisely.

Why apologize for the truth? The guy said that terrorism will help the republican candidate. Don't you see any irony in that? The republicans are already touting how safe America has been since 9/11 and use that as a plus for the republican party....

Other than you not recognizing the significance of such a statement by a member of the McCain campaign, your post is short-sighted and insulting.

 

[Carey]

Why apologize for the truth? The guy said that terrorism will help the republican candidate. Don't you see any irony in that? The republicans are already touting how safe America has been since 9/11 and use that as a plus for the republican party....

Other than you not recognizing the significance of such a statement by a member of the McCain campaign, your post is short-sighted and insulting.

American soil is safer because of the war on terror.

Bring our soldiers home and we won't be safer on our soil.

The war on terror is actually a very necessary and inevitable perpetual war against Islam but politicians can't say that.

Islam started this world war when that Evil Book of lies was created called the quran.

It just so happens today Islam has more modern macnies adn weapons to wage war with. So now the perpetual wars and rumors of wars " The Birth Pains" have started.

Grab any newspaper or watch any news channel.

Matthew 24 : 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/23/mccain.terrorism/index.html


John McCain's campaign has called upon terrorists to help his campaign!

America, Who loves ya?

He said nothing of the sort.

He said a terrorist attack would be an "advantage," which is probably the case.