John 6:66....coincidence or not?

[Palatka44]

There are a lot of people (including me) that believe the antichrist talked about there was someone of that time. Personally I believe it was refering to Nero, that matches up with the numbers 666 and the siege/destruction of jeruselem.

This is not the subject of this thread. The subject is if, John 6:66 is coincedence. For all that is discused regarding Nero I could agree, I am not one to stand on assumptions, my take on 666, Nero, Antichrist or Anwar Sadat May not prove correct. I am however, willing to accept any interpretation that has a scriptural base. Nero, Anwar Sadat or Henry Kissinger are not proved by scripture.

 

[Bulldog]

This is not the subject of this thread. The subject is if, John 6:66 is coincedence.

Do you believe that John 6:66 has some mystical connection to the great falling away?

 

[Idicious]

This is not the subject of this thread. The subject is if, John 6:66 is coincedence. For all that is discused regarding Nero I could agree, I am not one to stand on assumptions, my take on 666, Nero, Antichrist or Anwar Sadat May not prove correct. I am however, willing to accept any interpretation that has a scriptural base. Nero, Anwar Sadat or Henry Kissinger are not proved by scripture.

You can though prove scripturally that John 6:66 is pure coincidence since the number 666 is literally sixhundredsixtysix as I've posted before (scripturally), not just 3 sixes put together in any way you see fit.

 

[Palatka44]

Do you believe that John 6:66 has some mystical connection to the great falling away?

Not in the "mystical" sense. The Holy Spirit is not a "mystical" connection.
I believe that John 6:66 is indeed indicative of the Church's condition. Just as many of Jesus' disciples left so too will many leave as in a great falling away.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
This falling away is not evident with the Church in Nero's time. Many were maryterd in those days going to the grave proclaiming the Gospel. In fact the gospel spread further into the world as many fled Nero's reach.

 

[Palatka44]

You can though prove scripturally that John 6:66 is pure coincidence since the number 666 is literally sixhundredsixtysix as I've posted before (scripturally), not just 3 sixes put together in any way you see fit.

If you consider the work of the Holy Spirit to be that of coincidence then I'll concede that. I honestly believe that Chapter and verse numbers are put together for us to have a reference for study.
Rev. 13:18 gives us a starting point for us to gain wisdom regarding this sixhundred three score and 6.

 

[Phoenix]

This falling away is not evident with the Church in Nero's time. Many were maryterd in those days going to the grave proclaiming the Gospel. In fact the gospel spread further into the world as many fled Nero's reach.

That's an interesting thought and one worth studying. Christianity was in it's infancy during that time, as i understand it was Nero that almost stamped it out with persecution. Wasn't Paul contending with those who either mis-interpreted the Gospel or who had fallen away already in many of his letters ? I cant think of anything off the top of my head but " O foolish Galatians ! Who has bewitched you ? "

I'm not sure how accurate the second part of that verse is. Close though i think.

 

[Palatka44]

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That's an interesting thought and one worth studying. Christianity was in it's infancy during that time, as i understand it was Nero that almost stamped it out with persecution. Wasn't Paul contending with those who either mis-interpreted the Gospel or who had fallen away already in many of his letters ? I cant think of anything off the top of my head but " O foolish Galatians ! Who has bewitched you ? "

I'm not sure how accurate the second part of that verse is. Close though i think.

Galatians 1:3-5
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Praise be to God that they had Paul to set them straight.

 

[Bulldog]

Not in the "mystical" sense. The Holy Spirit is not a "mystical" connection.
I believe that John 6:66 is indeed indicative of the Church's condition. Just as many of Jesus' disciples left so too will many leave as in a great falling away.

I pointed out previously that the "disciples" in the verse were never saved or true followers to begin with. Would you say this of the church?

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

Hello all

We have a thread over at OBOB on this same verse if you would like to get a different viewpoint on it.

But I will post what I posted in that thread here so you can see before going.

From this website...
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/john.htm

This is quoted directly from that page. Remember, if Jesus states something once in the Bible, it can be taken figuratively. But if it is stated two or more times as seen in John 6 (3 times, or 9 different ways), it is to be taken literally.
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[size=+1]John 6:66, [/size]"From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him."

Did He call them back and say, "Hey I was just kidding, it is only a parable"? No He did not, for in the next verse, He did just the opposite. He would have let them all go. Are you one of those who walked away because His teaching is too hard? Interestingly, the Jews knew exactly what He was saying. If they thought it was only a symbol, then why would they walk away? If they thought He had spoken only symbolically, then why did they not ask Him to explain it to them as they had done many times before? This verse does not apply to the Jews only. It applies to all of us to this day who reject the [size=+1]True Presence[/size] of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Did you see the connection to the verse number of John [size=+1]666[/size]?

There you have it, it is not to be taken lightly.

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[Veritas]

Hello all

We have a thread over at OBOB on this same verse if you would like to get a different viewpoint on it.

But I will post what I posted in that thread here so you can see before going.

From this website...
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/john.htm

This is quoted directly from that page. Remember, if Jesus states something once in the Bible, it can be taken figuratively. But if it is stated two or more times as seen in John 6 (3 times, or 9 different ways), it is to be taken literally.
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There you have it, it is not to be taken lightly.

Good Day [/size]

Very good, Wild Fan! This is so true that those who didn't believe Jesus, left Him. Tragic!

 

[Veritas]

Actually I have considered that I may be the anti-Christ I graduated from Kindergarten on May 26, 1966, 6 days after my 6th birthday The only problem is, I worship Jesus.

 

[Palatka44]

Hello all

We have a thread over at OBOB on this same verse if you would like to get a different viewpoint on it.

But I will post what I posted in that thread here so you can see before going.

From this website...
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/john.htm

This is quoted directly from that page. Remember, if Jesus states something once in the Bible, it can be taken figuratively. But if it is stated two or more times as seen in John 6 (3 times, or 9 different ways), it is to be taken literally.
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There you have it, it is not to be taken lightly.

Good Day [/size]

I am in complete agreement with you and Veritas.

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

Very good, Wild Fan! This is so true that those who didn't believe Jesus, left Him. Tragic!

And they still do, to this day

 

[Palatka44]

Very good, Wild Fan! This is so true that those who didn't believe Jesus, left Him. Tragic!

What is amazing to me is how anyone that has a relationship with Christ can just walk away. It's like they are part of His entourage but never realy had a relationship.

 

[The_Unknown]

What is amazing to me is how anyone that has a relationship with Christ can just walk away. It's like they are part of His entourage but never realy had a relationship.

That amazes me too

 

[Bulldog]

What is amazing to me is how anyone that has a relationship with Christ can just walk away. It's like they are part of His entourage but never realy had a relationship.

Again, why do you think thatthe 'disciples' in John 6 are saved or part of the church?

 

[holyrokker]

Psalm 66:6
"He turned the sea into dry land, they passed through the waters on foot
come, let us rejoice in him. "

 

[Ebed-Yahweh]

Not that this has any significant authority, but here is a quote relevant to this topic:

"Coincidence. That's an explanation used by fools and liars."
- Lionel Luthor, from the episode entitled "Legacy", Smallville Season III

Yahweh God is in charge of His Book, not men. The chapter and verse numbers are not coincidental. Everything in this world happens for a reason. There are no accidents, only connections and explanations that are misunderstood, ignored, or disbelieved, or simply not realized by the humans involved.

That Solomon brought in 666 talents of gold yearly (1 Kings 10:14) has relevance as he later became an apostate who worshipped pagan gods, and in Revelation we learn that no one is alllowed to buy or sell without the mark of the beast (666).

One interesting point some of you might want to investigate is that some manuscripts of Revelation purportedly read 616 instead of 666 (See http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/616666.html
&
http://www.sda-online.com/public/666.htm for more information).

Another intersting number is 22.

Genetics: 22 Chromosomes (22 pairs + 2 sex chromosomes, 46XX, 46XY)
DNA code - 20 Amino Acids + Amber Ochre + Umber stop codons
Language: Hebrew has 22 letters

Mathematics: 3+7+12=22 (3 is the divine #, 7 is perfection, and 12 symbolizes God's people - 12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, etc.)
22/7 = 3.142857143, a reasonably close approximation of Pi.

Biblical: 1 Kings and Revelation are the only two books divided into 22 chapters.

Pi = 3.1415926
Phi= 6.1803399

22/7 = 3.142857143
22/3.55 = 6.197183099

22/3.1415926 = 7.002817615
22/6.1803399 = 3.559674768

355 - 22 = 333 and 355 + 22 = 377.
333 355 337

Concerning 2012 and the Mayan Calendar:

“But how are we to relate this to a time frame we can understand? How does this Long Count relate to our Gregorian calendar? This problem of correlating Mayan time with "western" time has occupied Mayan scholars since the beginning. The standard question to answer became: what does 0.0.0.0.0 (the Long Count "beginning" point) equal in the Gregorian calendar? When this question is answered, archeological inscriptions can be put into their proper historical context and the end date of the 13-baktun cycle can be calculated. After years of considering data from varied fields such as astronomy, ethnography, archeology and iconography, J. Eric S. Thompson determined that 0.0.0.0.0 correponded to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11th, 3114 B.C. in our Gregorian calendar. This means that the end date of 13.0.0.0.0, some 5125 years later, is December 21st, 2012 A.D.”

(From http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html)

December 21 is the 355th day of the year, while December 20th is the 355th day during leap years. Look at the date this way: 12-21-2012. It's even better the British way: 21-12-2012. Or 12-20-2012, 20-12-2012. Anyway, I don’t know exactly what is going to happen on these two days, but it will probably be something important.

 

[NumberOneSon]

"Coincidence. That's an explanation used by fools and liars."
- Lionel Luthor, from the episode entitled "Legacy", Smallville Season III

I love the show....even though the main storyline is getting a little weird. I just hope at some point they throw in a brief guest appearance by Bruce Wayne in training. Here's to hoping.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[AngelusSax]

Yahweh God is in charge of His Book, not men. The chapter and verse numbers are not coincidental.

So the question then, is this:
Why didn't God inspire the actual authors of the different books to chapter and verse their works? Why go through periods of time where people were forced to read non-versed and non-chaptered Scriptures? How many people died before there was a chance to note the absolute significance of the chaptering and numbering?