John 6:66....coincidence or not?

[Bulldog]

Some of them have to be handled in context of the subject. For instance,
John 6:16-21
16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
If we follow the other accounts of this event Jesus tells Peter, after He keeps him from drowning, "Oh ye of little faith". 666 is representive of the "Great falling away" from faith.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
This I believe is why John associated this number with wisdom,
Revelation 13:18
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
This is indeed a "Coincidental" set up of the Holy Spirit to get us to dig deep and search for wisdom.

So what's the connection between John 6, 2 Thessalonians, and Revelation 13 again?

 

[Kripost]

It is a coincidence. Chapter and verse numberings in its final form are not used until the 13th century.

 

[The_Unknown]

You all, what about this one...sixth book of the Bible, sixth chapter, and the sixth verse?

Joshua 6:6
And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.

Lol...7 years of tribulation? I dont know...

 

[Phoenix]

Hang on a second before you try looking into the meaning of 666 have you considered how a first century Christian would have understood the passage ? Keep in mind the things that seem so mysterious to us could have made plain sense to them.

 

[NumberOneSon]

Hang on a second before you try looking into the meaning of 666 have you considered how a first century Christian would have understood the passage ? Keep in mind the things that seem so mysterious to us could have made plain sense to them.

So true.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[bobbichan]

Hang on a second before you try looking into the meaning of 666 have you considered how a first century Christian would have understood the passage ? Keep in mind the things that seem so mysterious to us could have made plain sense to them.

That's why I asked earlier if anyone had any answers to the significance of where the mark of the beast / 666 is placed. I'm sure there's some reason as to why they are marked on their hands and foreheads in regards to the context of other passages in the Bible. I just don't know of any.

Hands = their actions?
Forehead = their thoughts?

I don't know. =/

 

[OhhJim]

Hang on a second before you try looking into the meaning of 666 have you considered how a first century Christian would have understood the passage ? Keep in mind the things that seem so mysterious to us could have made plain sense to them.

I agree. For one thing, look at the way the number is presented: "six hundred and sixty and six". In Greek, where they used a different kind of numbering system. I think that the idea of adding 6+6+6 would be totally silly to them.

Look at it in Roman Numberals: DCLXVI. You've got a 500+100+50+10+5+1. Our modern system of place value allows us to think of "600" as merely "6" in the hundreds column. But I think that they didn't have place value back then. Six hundred was six hundred, not a six in the third column.

I think you can read as much into this sort of thing as you want, but that doesn't make it true. Daniel's statue had feet...Jesus had feet!!! Wow, it all falls into place, doesn't it?

 

[cbk]

ROED-LARSEN................. 666 ???

coming soon to a temple near you?

 

[Bulldog]

John 6:66From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.

John was the one who wrote Revelation. Is John 6:66 a coincidence?

Just for some context (not as though that ever matters when speaking of the "headline end times craze"), the disciples of John 6 were not true followers of Christ, there were "false believers" who only followed Christ for physical food to begin with.

 

[Phoenix]

Foreheads or hands, couldn't really say.

Info on the Hebrew/Greek numbering system:

http://becomingone.org/hebgknum.htm

It would seem logical that 666 being the number of a man, a first century Christian would have known how to apply these numbers to their alphabet.

jmo - It's a tough passage to look at in the present day and age without this background.

 

[AngelusSax]

I heard that to the first century Christian, 666 was Nero. Anyone else heard this?

 

[Idicious]

Also, its sixhundredsixtysix, not 6 6 6, or any random formation of those 3 numbers.

 

[Bulldog]

Also, its sixhundredsixtysix, not 6 6 6, or any random formation of those 3 numbers.

Thiank you! This fact alone almost it's own sticky post!

 

[Idicious]

I heard that to the first century Christian, 666 was Nero. Anyone else heard this?

Having a preterist view on revelations I believe that 666 was refering to Nero and that most of revelations has already happend (happened in first century after christ)

Oi, just noticed I have 333 posts, I'm half evil now

 

[Palatka44]

John is speaking of his own time here, not some time thousands of years in the future.

Granted however verse 18 is still speaking of the Antichrist.

 

[Bulldog]

Granted however verse 18 is still speaking of the Antichrist.

Yes but how does he view the antichrist? As a spirit that was working in his time.

 

[Palatka44]

John said that this number in Rev. 13:18 is a sorce of wisdom.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
If then this takes us into a deep study are we not gaining wisdom?

 

[Palatka44]

Yes but how does he view the antichrist? As a spirit that was working in his time.

That is not the point. The point is that The verse is still refering to the Antichrist, spirit or for what ever time. It does not change the fact that verse 18 contains that subject.

 

[Idicious]

That is not the point. The point is that The verse is still refering to the Antichrist, spirit or for what ever time. It does not change the fact that verse 18 contains that subject.

Personally I believe that revelations it was refering to Nero, that matches up with the numbers 666 and the siege/destruction of jeruselem.

And antichrist is not refered to as a single person, it's talking about people who deny god.

 

[Bulldog]

That is not the point. The point is that The verse is still refering to the Antichrist, spirit or for what ever time. It does not change the fact that verse 18 contains that subject.

I don't see the word 'antichrist' in any of Revelation. In fact, if the antichrist is a spirit working upon those who do not believe (as the epistles of John suggest), then the beast of Revelation is not the antichrist but an antichrist.