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Ok thanks for that info.

I figured you'de know more than I did about that stuff.
It only took me 1 yr to figure out how not to flame LOL ^_^

:doh: :sorry:

oh dear

I"m thankful you're sticking it out with us here too. It's a blessing
to see people continuing. (not always pleasurable, but then....
that's service in God's bootcamp as it were)

:holy: :angel:
 
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Ok thanks for that info.

I figured you'de know more than I did about that stuff.
It only took me 1 yr to figure out how not to flame LOL ^_^

:doh: :sorry:

oh dear

I"m thankful you're sticking it out with us here too. It's a blessing
to see people continuing. (not always pleasurable, but then....
that's service in God's bootcamp as it were)

:holy: :angel:

LOL...I wish I would have read the rules when I first started posting in CF...LOL...would have saved me a few...well let's just say...embarrassing moments...:blush:

Now...back to our regularly scheduled topic...Joel Osteen...

I just saw on a News trailer...Victoria Osteen (Mr Osteen's wife) is headed to court for "alleged" abuse of an airline attendant...:doh:

I don't know Mr Osteen's response though...
 
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Corin...you may wanna check out the ND FSG's

particularly items 2 & 3 regarding this post...

The ND FSGs were put in place as guidelines to maintain a "safe haven" for like minded Non-denominational believers regarding certain Christian orthodox fundamental beliefs...

Of which...it is clearly stated that the Triunity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is not up for debate in ND.

I do not wish to derail the thread...but as a newbie to ND...you should be aware of the ND FSGs...please feel free to PM any Moderator should you have any questions or concerns...they'll be happy to help.


I wasnt debating it.
Jesus is the son of God.
 
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I wasnt debating it.
Jesus is the son of God.

Corin...No one debates whether or not Jesus is the Son of God...the debate is in a statement such as "Jesus is not God"...which the SoF for both ND and CF is Jesus is God the Son along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit in One Triune God.

Anywhooo...I've sent you a PM...as continuing this discussion here is not only derailing the thread (also violating CF Rules)...which is about Joel Osteen...but would also be encouraging debate regarding the Trinity...big no no here.

Please read the ND FSGs and SoF...and the CF Rules...:)

Peace...
 
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Corin...No one debates whether or not Jesus is the Son of God...the debate is in a statement such as "Jesus is not God"...which the SoF for both ND and CF is Jesus is God the Son along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit in One Triune God.

Anywhooo...I've sent you a PM...as continuing this discussion here is not only derailing the thread (also violating CF Rules)...which is about Joel Osteen...but would also be encouraging debate regarding the Trinity...big no no here.

Please read the ND FSGs and SoF...and the CF Rules...:)

Peace...


Yes i know you have - and thank you. But i will stand true to my statement as before. It states what i said also in the words of the bible.
 
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What do you guys know about him? I have heard his name, but I haven't really heard him speak or read his books. I overheard someone talking about him, but I don't know much about him, so I couldn't really join the discussion.


hes a good man and has a good heart. find out for your self though and don't listen to other people's opinions. most people (even in church) are judgemental jealous critics. pray about it and God will tell you the truth about this man.
 
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hes a good man and has a good heart. find out for your self though and don't listen to other people's opinions. most people (even in church) are judgemental jealous critics. pray about it and God will tell you the truth about this man.
What I offer here about J.O. isn't jealousy whatsoever. It is judgmental becuz he's set himself in a position of leading a HUGE congregation, so I'm afraid he's up for people's judgment based on what he preaches.

I would hope we all become tough critics on a Pastor's messages that go out around the world like his does.

And it's due to what he preaches alone that I judge him as a motivational speaker and glorified cheerleader who gives pep talks to people who might have some problems. Sure, we all need encouragement, but when that's the sole meat of your message every week for years, how is that sustaining a strong Christian?

Imo, the reason he has to KEEP preaching motivation is that they haven't learned the essentials of living a strong victorious life to actually overcome anything using God's principles. (that is unless they go get teaching from other teachers who do preach a well rounded message with spiritual help instead of pure motivation w/ a bible verse slipped in there someplace).
 
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What I offer here about J.O. isn't jealousy whatsoever. It is judgmental becuz he's set himself in a position of leading a HUGE congregation, so I'm afraid he's up for people's judgment based on what he preaches.

I would hope we all become tough critics on a Pastor's messages that go out around the world like his does.

And it's due to what he preaches alone that I judge him as a motivational speaker and glorified cheerleader who gives pep talks to people who might have some problems. Sure, we all need encouragement, but when that's the sole meat of your message every week for years, how is that sustaining a strong Christian?

Imo, the reason he has to KEEP preaching motivation is that they haven't learned the essentials of living a strong victorious life to actually overcome anything using God's principles. (that is unless they go get teaching from other teachers who do preach a well rounded message with spiritual help instead of pure motivation w/ a bible verse slipped in there someplace).

every body has a different gift and a different purpose in God's body. we can't all be the hands or the feet. Joel's purpose is to be an encourager and he's fullfilling that. any ways i won't spend all my time debating here becuz even the bible speaks against useless debates that lead to no where. imma spend more time connecting with christians here. thanks for stating your opinion though.
 
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hes a good man and has a good heart. find out for your self though and don't listen to other people's opinions. most people (even in church) are judgemental jealous critics. pray about it and God will tell you the truth about this man.


Agreed. :amen:
 
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Now...back to our regularly scheduled topic...Joel Osteen...

I just saw on a News trailer...Victoria Osteen (Mr Osteen's wife) is headed to court for "alleged" abuse of an airline attendant...:doh:

I don't know Mr Osteen's response though...

Just wanted to give an update..."breaking news" here in Houston...Victoria Osteen was found not guilty of the assault charges brought against her by Sharon Brown, a Contenintal flight attendant...

I wonder if Ms Brown would have filed charges against someone less prominent or wealthy...

but more so I wonder...why is this "breaking news"...:confused:
 
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Just wanted to give an update..."breaking news" here in Houston...Victoria Osteen was found not guilty of the assault charges brought against her by Sharon Brown, a Contenintal flight attendant...

I wonder if Ms Brown would have filed charges against someone less prominent or wealthy...

but more so I wonder...why is this "breaking news"...:confused:
lol
From the sounds of all the commentary from witnesses and Brown's allegations (and the fact that she tried to sue another wealthy person in her past) it appears that she wasn't guilty of all the extra stuff she's claiming along w/ the damages we all know were outrageous.

But I believe it is true that Victoria got nasty and threw a tantrum - after all, she was escorted off the plane that day -- just not to the extent this lawsuit is claiming.
And I'm glad Brown didn't win becuz it was false. :thumbsup:
 
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From the sounds of all the commentary from witnesses and Brown's allegations (and the fact that she tried to sue another wealthy person in her past) it appears that she wasn't guilty of all the extra stuff she's claiming along w/ the damages we all know were outrageous.

But I believe it is true that Victoria got nasty and threw a tantrum - after all, she was escorted off the plane that day -- just not to the extent this lawsuit is claiming.
And I'm glad Brown didn't win becuz it was false. :thumbsup:

I agree...I was kinda astonished this even went to court. I remember when it happend...and although Mrs Osteen was throwing a fit...I didn't see it as assault in any shape or form...

I don't watch much tv...especially the news...so I didn't follow the trial at all...I just happened to catch the news trailer and the "breaking news" of the jury's decision.

Just goes to show...we can sue anyone for anything...and how far people will go for a couple bucks and their 15 minutes of fame...
 
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So is Joel a Word of Faith guy? He sure sounds like it with all his sermons on having a positive attitude, and that you can have it all if you just think positive...
more like "good word" than faith....

My bigger problem would be having to listen to the same sermons repeatedly for months on end - only he exchanges the struggle or difficulty with another one & poooooooooooof,
instant new seromon an another problem you're having to overcome.

Maybe if he'd teach them some proper warfare & basic principles of God, they wouldn't be needing to "just HANG IN THERE" but actually obtain some victory & stop focusing on their issues?
 
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that's basically the consensus from people who take scripture seriously & do more than use God for help in getting out of our next problem or for benevolence.

*last post had typo's, I was making hardboiled eggs for egg salad & they were done & I had to fly over to the stove to deal with them lol
:cool: :p
 
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New to these forums, Hello. The Lord used Joel Osteen to wake me up from a back slidden state. It's important to remember we do not all have the same gifts. Joel Osteen is not an evangelist he is an encourager. I would suggest that there might be some uniformed opions here, just from the little I've read. Osteen quotes Scripture every sermon. I you subscribe to his newsletter you will find that he uses scripture in it daily.
 
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New to these forums, Hello. The Lord used Joel Osteen to wake me up from a back slidden state. It's important to remember we do not all have the same gifts. Joel Osteen is not an evangelist he is an encourager. I would suggest that there might be some uniformed opions here, just from the little I've read. Osteen quotes Scripture every sermon. I you subscribe to his newsletter you will find that he uses scripture in it daily.
This isn't to parallel Osteen, but Satan used scripture too.

Honestly, we're just accepting everyone just becuz they use God's name anymore.

The man couldn't even admit Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to God in his tv interview!
He Hm'Haw'd around at everything significant in beliefs becuz he just couldn't bring himself to "condemn" people... sorry, but he couldn't even claim the gospel in his interview.

He later had to apologize for his mess, but he still cant' do it.

And then go look at his books, he shoves any scripture in the BACK, as if it's the least important thing.

My brother is an Asst. Pastor - went to seminary for years, etc. and he watches Osteen and has often commented about how he misuses the verse to suit his sermon rather than what it really means in its context.

He's an encourager.... but so is Oprah.

There's more to this than just "he isn't a Pastor"... he's IN a pastoral position, and this is the diet he feeds his poor flock. If I lived on that in real life and it was real food, I'd be in the hospital if not dead.

Sorry, I have no praise for the man's preaching or inability to preach truth at all, but I will agree with 1 thing, God CAN use anyone.
But it does not mean that if God uses someone, they're OF God. God uses evil and darkness and even phariseical people to lead people to light.

He uses anything & anyone to bring messages. No doubt this is why people become confused when it comes to people who claim Christianity.
 
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