Joel Osteen

[Floatingaxe]

Creflo Dollar? Joel Osteen? What's next? Joyce Meyer, T.D. Jakes and Gene Scott? Have you hit your head recently?

Why? I love Joyce and I like Jakes. Never heard of Scott. Most of all, I love my own pastors. They tell it like it is--plainly, and challenge me to live for Jesus in this dark world.

 

[Zecryphon]

Why? I love Joyce and I like Jakes. Never heard of Scott. Most of all, I love my own pastors. They tell it like it is--plainly, and challenge me to live for Jesus in this dark world.

PM me we've gotta talk. T.D. Jakes is guilty of some of the worst hermeneutics I've ever heard. I heard an audio clip from one of his services or maybe it was one of his amazon women conferences, where he has the whole congregation shouting "So?". Why? Because when the world has a problem with you, as a believer in Christ you are to say "So!" Based upon the scripture of:

Psa 107:2 Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he has redeemed from trouble

I also have it on good authority that T.D. is a modalist. This means that he believes that God can only exist in one form at a time. So if God is the Father in Heaven, He is not Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit at the same time. He's non-trinitarian. As for Joyce Meyer, if it's not a sin to wear that many sequins at once, it should be! LOL If you're lookin' to be challenged in a dark world, try Spurgeon, or Whitfield or, Luther. Those guys are challenging. And if that doesn't do it for you, there's always the Puritans. LOL

 

[zeke37]

Creflo Dollar? Joel Osteen? What's next? Joyce Meyer, T.D. Jakes and Gene Scott? Have you hit your head recently?

milk.....pablum.....meat....

these as most stick to the milk....

 

[Waddell]

I find it very hard to trust someone who blinks as often as Joel Osteen.

 

[Floatingaxe]

milk.....pablum.....meat....

these as most stick to the milk....

Good! Milk is for the masses. You get meat in your churches...hopefully...

 

[Zecryphon]

milk.....pablum.....meat....

these as most stick to the milk....

I consider things like sin, and repentance and faith in Christ for the forgiveness of sins to be basic teachings of the Christian faith, milk. Joel doesn't talk about either because he considers them to be, downers. He'd rather inspire people and make them feel good. He has said this, I'm not projecting this upon him.

 

[Zecryphon]

Good! Milk is for the masses. You get meat in your churches...hopefully...

At my church we get Jell-O and Coffee. LOL

 

[Floatingaxe]

At my church we get Jell-O and Coffee. LOL

Hahaha!

 

[Nobella]

Put it like this , he has gotten people saved and listening to the word of God, and only God knows the purpose he has for him so it is not up to me to judge him........

My husband likes Joel Olsteen, so I do listen to him, I just look straight ahead, smile and act like I dont know!

 

[Zecryphon]

I find it very hard to trust someone who blinks as often as Joel Osteen.

I was suspicious of Ted Haggard because he smiled so much. Never trust a man that smiles that much. Looks like I was right to have my suspicions of him.

 

[Nadiine]

I make my judgements on the messages. Joel Osteen is simply a motivational speaker for hire - same as Tony Robbins with "God" splashed in it here & there.

He writes books & sticks any verses way in the back so people don't have to read them if they don't want to.
His interviews were dismal & told me alot about how he values HIS message and God's words. God is a secondary message for him, his main message is PC new age humanist philosophy full of positive affirmations of looking forward to blessings... "if you just stick it out a little longer".
NO MEAT.

Worse, his messages are the same rehashed pep rallys just with different topics. How anyone can even listen to that regularly is beyond me

 

[Zecryphon]

I make my judgements on the messages. Joel Osteen is simply a motivational speaker for hire - same as Tony Robbins with "God" splashed in it here & there.

He writes books & sticks any verses way in the back so people don't have to read them if they don't want to.
His interviews were dismal & told me alot about how he values HIS message and God's words. God is a secondary message for him, his main message is PC new age humanist philosophy full of positive affirmations of looking forward to blessings... "if you just stick it out a little longer".
NO MEAT.

Worse, his messages are the same rehashed pep rallys just with different topics. How anyone can even listen to that regularly is beyond me

I would feel better about what Joel Osteen does if he supported his positive affirmations of other people with scriptures. I can't recall ever hearing one scripture mentioned in the sermons I have examined by him. For instance, in his sermon "You Can Be Somebody's Miracle" we'll ignore that this is the wrong use and understanding of the word "miracle" for now, if he had backed up this teaching with some scriptures, it would have been a good sermon. It doesn't have to be law and gospel all the time, he's not Lutheran after all, hehehehe. But it would have been a good idea to support what he's saying with the scriptures. Plus, he could have easily used the bulk of that sermon as a springboard to talk about the gospel in a different way. He could have said that when we were born-again we got this new nature and with this new nature comes a desire to serve our fellow human being in love. If you've heard the sermon you'll see how that ties in. His sermons aren't the worst I've ever heard, and with a little scriptural support they could be good, for what they are.

Personally, I disagree with his whole approach. I see him as giving people a little shot of Jesus in the arm on Sunday to get them through the week ahead. Church to him is a recharge station basically where believers go to be with "personal helper" Jesus for an hour before going back to their lives that are a breeze since they asked Jesus into their hearts to be blessed by God for the rest of their lives. LOL One thing I will say about Joel is that he's consistent. He really believes in the message he's sharing with people. You can't say that for a lot of the televangelists out there that use the Bible to fleece the flock or to promise the flock riches and a lifestyle much better than what they have now, if they'll just have enough faith. Not all televangelists do this, I'm making a generalization here based upon the practices of Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, Jan and Paul Crouch and Gene Scott to name a very few. Gene Scott is actually more about fleecing the flock than about the "name it and claim it" gospel. Actually, he's not even about fleecing as I remember him saying on his program years ago "get on the phone and send me some money or I'm not teaching you anything." You gotta love his upfront approach to teaching. LOL

 

[Waddell]

The world can teach a message of being nice to people, expecting positive things, and keeping a positive outlook. But if it not shown "why" these things are so, it is nothing but dust in the wind.

It might be simplistic of me to say, but if it doesn't get "bloody" at some point, it ain't a Christian message. People have to know how badly they needed it, and what the cost was for it.

Then, OK. Blink a thousand times a minute, smile constantly, and tell my brothers and sisters that everythings gonna be OK.

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

My two penn'eth from watching him a few times on God channel is that he says a lot of encouraging things.

He then ends by saying we would like to give you the opportunity to get saved . .. he then gives a short prayer and tells viewers that if they sincerely prayed that prayer "we believe you just got born again". Well, no, the born again experience is when you actually receive the Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues (John 3:8, Acts 2:4, 33, 39).

 

[Nadiine]

 

[IisJustMe]

Well, no, the born again experience is when you actually receive the Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues (John 3:8, Acts 2:4, 33, 39).

That's your opinion??

You are waaaayyyy off the mark. While the wind is an analogy of the Holy Spirit, it is not regarding "speaking in tongues" which has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. Jesus is comparing the unpredictability of the Spirit and His role in salvation to the capriciousness of the wind, which changes direction several thousand times a day, blows easy and then blows hard, and then easy again. Man cannot understand the wind, and he cannot understand how the Spirit accomplishes salvation.

You're on the wrong board to espouse those beliefs, sir. Take them back to your board with you, please.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well said.
I couldn't agree with you more!
(btw, this post clears up the ? I asked you in the other thread.)

The world can teach a message of being nice to people, expecting positive things, and keeping a positive outlook. But if it not shown "why" these things are so, it is nothing but dust in the wind.

It might be simplistic of me to say, but if it doesn't get "bloody" at some point, it ain't a Christian message. People have to know how badly they needed it, and what the cost was for it.

Then, OK. Blink a thousand times a minute, smile constantly, and tell my brothers and sisters that everythings gonna be OK.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I agree and his answer on Larry King, I found extremely disturbing in light of what the
Scriptures definitely show us and stress with such urgency like a hen calling her
chicks to cross the road before they get run over by oncoming traffic.
There is no question, and for a person in his position, we need to pray
for him as he is held to a higher accountability as a Pastor.

I make my judgements on the messages. Joel Osteen is simply a motivational speaker for hire - same as Tony Robbins with "God" splashed in it here & there.

He writes books & sticks any verses way in the back so people don't have to read them if they don't want to.
His interviews were dismal & told me alot about how he values HIS message and God's words. God is a secondary message for him, his main message is PC new age humanist philosophy full of positive affirmations of looking forward to blessings... "if you just stick it out a little longer".
NO MEAT.

Worse, his messages are the same rehashed pep rallys just with different topics. How anyone can even listen to that regularly is beyond me

 

[VCViking]

I fear many of Joel's words are his, not the Lord's

 

[VCViking]

Who am I to deny the work of the Holy Spirit?

Joel's message is the work of man, not the Holy Spirit. He teaches a man centered gospel, not a Christ centered Gospel.